Dominations and Revenges are in, thoughts? - Page 3

Coreldan · 2012-03-07, 04:36 AM

Don't care about them either way. I see them a bit arcadey which I dislike, but as if I would care about some text on the screen?

StumpyTheOzzie · 2012-03-07, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by Malorn

Dominations and revenges encourage personal killwhoring and detract from team play.

I see K

and other teamplay discouraging stats to be bad for the game.

There are plenty of better alternatives, namely "Score", since "Score" is something that can be generated from doing many types of activities, like having people spawn at your well-placed galaxy, or giving ammo, or reviving/healing, or capturing objectives, or defending objectives, as well as killing.

Score and Score/Min should be the universal "Stat" that people strive to maximize, not Kills or K

. This isn't deathmatch.

I know many common FPS games have K

stats - but much like the running of the bulls, just because its always been done doesn't mean its not incredibly stupid.

There's an awesome demotivator poster illustrating this point.

http://www.despair.com/tradition.html

K

is bad for teamplay. Axe it. You won't lose any players over it, and the game as a whole will be better.

So many good ideas in this thread.

Gandhi · 2012-03-07, 06:15 AM

I think killwhores will be killwhores no matter what the stats say. Tribes Ascend works on a score system too, but there's still plenty of people who play it as if the only goal is to get a good K/D ratio. Unlike games like T:A at least in Planetside we'll have the option of forming groups with people who know how to play in teams and play for objectives, then the killwhores can be left to their own devices. As long as there's enough game mechanics that encourage teamwork I don't think it'll be a problem.

Let me put it this way, I'm more worried about one man tanks than tacky revenge stats that have no impact on gameplay.

Coreldan · 2012-03-07, 06:19 AM

Well, you could see kills, deaths and k/d in PS just the same, whats the difference

Aractain · 2012-03-07, 06:23 AM

For every person with a good K: D there is someone with a bad K: D. In order not to alienate me errr... them. They should have a big fat score type number *they* can point at that shows that they are actually worth something to thier empire because of kills/support/captures other things that are useful.

EMPIRE USEFULNESS: 345

plz.

(just to make it clear, there will be lots of players who log in just to shoot some nubs and thats fine, I just hope support and objectives will be promoted just as much!)

Coreldan · 2012-03-07, 06:47 AM

Yeah, I really want to see support people properly rewarded.

Then again, I had my reasons to be mostly support in the original game, stuff will be a bit different come PS2, but still!

EVILoHOMER · 2012-03-07, 07:13 AM

The up side is it's a fun meta game but the down side is it could promote people protecting their pride and not taking any risks. The whole system killed people going Scout class in TF2 and running to the flag because it is no fun being dominated.

ringring · 2012-03-07, 08:28 AM

I'd rather not have them as they're a bit arcadey / cheesy.

In game I'll ignore them I expect.

Sinilaid · 2012-03-07, 08:34 AM

We need someone to shout "Domination" "Revange" and "Monsterkill" in a manly voice, that would be cool

Hamma · 2012-03-07, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Malorn

Dominations and revenges encourage personal killwhoring and detract from team play.

I see K

and other teamplay discouraging stats to be bad for the game.

There are plenty of better alternatives, namely "Score", since "Score" is something that can be generated from doing many types of activities, like having people spawn at your well-placed galaxy, or giving ammo, or reviving/healing, or capturing objectives, or defending objectives, as well as killing.

Score and Score/Min should be the universal "Stat" that people strive to maximize, not Kills or K

. This isn't deathmatch.

I know many common FPS games have K

stats - but much like the running of the bulls, just because its always been done doesn't mean its not incredibly stupid.

There's an awesome demotivator poster illustrating this point.

http://www.despair.com/tradition.html

K

is bad for teamplay. Axe it. You won't lose any players over it, and the game as a whole will be better.

This post exactly.

MrBloodworth · 2012-03-07, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by IceyCold

Planetside 1 tracked your K/D and displayed it. Never seemed to pull away from those who played it like a team game.

That was added late in life. And yes, it did degrade the game. This is why people started screaming about killing Gens.

You interrupted the death-match and kill farming.

It shifted the game from a war game, to a session based shooter game where only the individual mattered.

Canaris · 2012-03-07, 11:17 AM

as long as it's not screaming at me "YOUR BEING DOMINATED BY GimpNC69!" all the time during game play I don't care.

JHendy · 2012-03-07, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Eighm

I don't particularly like them in because PS for me should be more about team effort than individual K : D ratios.

Indeed.

EVILPIG · 2012-03-07, 11:44 AM

This argument goes back to the ages and you will find the trend to most always be, those who are good at killing wants stats, those who are not, do not. You can look up my old threads on the official forums where as one of the top killers in the game, I have always advocated for the noob. I do believe that tracking the stats are important, but I do not believe you should put the players on public display for ridicule. It's alienating. While enjoyed being on the leader board and having days as #1 on planetsidestats, I would have preferred such things not exist. What is important is to recognize the other roles that players fill with stat-tracking of their own.

However, saying that it's "not all about kills" is accurate, but at the end of the day, it is what is most important. You will NEED to kill the enemy to take their territory and support roles are there to support that need. Medics revive so that players can keep killing. Engineers repair and resupply so that players can keep killing. When you transport troops, unless you're dropping onto an empty facility, you're going to need to kill. If the enemy responds, you will need to kill. I have always told players that you don't need to be a magnificent slayer, but if you do kill 1 soldier for every death, you are pretty much doing your job. Everything beyond that is just gravy. Kill stats are a measure of a player's worth, and for those who focus on killing the enemy, it is a gauge.

Are dominations and revenges necessary? Not likely, but it will be interesting to see.

MrBloodworth · 2012-03-07, 11:54 AM

Killing the opposition is a function of a war game.

That does not mean it needs to be the focus of said game. The larger engagement, or squad based accomplishments should be.

Praising and rewarding the individual is a function of session based design.

Team based design focuses on the meta game.

Planetside 2 Seems to have lost its heritage.