Bananas! - Page 3

psijaka · 2013-06-11, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by Chewy

It's a part of the firing vehicle shots from the cam instead of the weapon. I seen it the first shot I took and fucking hate it.

Me too; had a short spell on a Phalanx AV turret at the Crown last night; hated it; highly disconcerting and totally illogical.

And totally unnecessary - it is not as if Prowlers were severely gimped by having the offset.

Put it back as it was please SoE.

Chewy · 2013-06-11, 04:34 AM

Originally Posted by psijaka

Me too; had a short spell on a Phalanx AV turret at the Crown last night; hated it; highly disconcerting and totally illogical.

And totally unnecessary - it is not as if Prowlers were severely gimped by having the offset.

Put it back as it was please SoE.

All weapons have an offset, well had an offset.

Vanguard, Prowler, Lightning, and AV Phalanx are to the side and Magrider had a under the cam offset. All of them had just about the same offset as well as far as I could tell and that made them about equal but for the Magrider. But the Magrider had its mobility the only stabilized gun to more than counter that in my opinion.

Now with the firing out the cam crap the Vanguard is the only one with an offset. Its cam is to the side of centered gun putting its rounds off center. This may lead to the Vanguard being able to get an unfair advantage thanks to that. With the offset cam a Vanguard can hide more of it's body than the other MBTs while still getting shots on target.

Id like a buff for the Vanguard like the rest of the NC but this isn't right. Cam firing just feels like a cheap gaming cop-out used by those that can't do better. PS2 did fine without it and this is something that should be rolled back ASAP if you ask me.

Canaris · 2013-06-11, 04:39 AM

Originally Posted by psijaka

Me too; had a short spell on a Phalanx AV turret at the Crown last night; hated it; highly disconcerting and totally illogical.

And totally unnecessary - it is not as if Prowlers were severely gimped by having the offset.

Put it back as it was please SoE.

ehhhhh no they just need to take the last logical leap in this sequence

Chewy · 2013-06-11, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Canaris

ehhhhh no they just need to take the last logical leap in this sequence

The cam would still be to the side in one of the port holes just like the Vanguard. So, centered gun or not you would have an offset no matter what. The only reason a Magrider has a cam on top of the weapon is because the weapon is low and attached to the tank body.

If you then move the cam to the top of the weapon then you'll clip into the 2nd gun. If below then you would be VERY limited in what you can see with the tank body blocking below, tank weapons blocking above, and maybe each barrel dipping down the sides of you screen.

It's a nice looking tank, but it wouldn't do a damned thing for the offset between weapon and cam. Remember, ALL vehicle weapons have an offset.

psijaka · 2013-06-11, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Canaris

ehhhhh no they just need to take the last logical leap in this sequence

Logical.

Totally illogical to have an offset gun on a turret, irrespective of aiming issues. The recoil would place rotational forces on the turret.

Canaris · 2013-06-11, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Chewy

The cam would still be to the side in one of the port holes just like the Vanguard. So, centered gun or not you would have an offset no matter what. The only reason a Magrider has a cam on top of the weapon is because the weapon is low and attached to the tank body.

If you then move the cam to the top of the weapon then you'll clip into the 2nd gun. If below then you would be VERY limited in what you can see with the tank body blocking below, tank weapons blocking above, and maybe each barrel dipping down the sides of you screen.

It's a nice looking tank, but it wouldn't do a damned thing for the offset between weapon and cam. Remember, ALL vehicle weapons have an offset.

Chewy · 2013-06-11, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Canaris

I keep seeing Flame Mammoth every time I look at that pic.

Id also bet that when/if that comes out the cam will in the same place as it is now. To the side of the weapon.

The offset isn't made by where the gun is mounted but where the gun is in relation to the cam. Without having the cam BE the gun then you will never get rid of the offset. As it is now the weapon is just for looks and doesn't do a damned thing but go boom. You can have it in a rock and as long as your cam is clear you're going to send shots down range.

The way it was before.
]tank
=cam
}+gun
-shot path

Vanguard and Lightning top view

=
}+-----
]

The shot would drift to the left when shooting thanks to the cam being on the left of the gun.

Prowler and AV wall turret top view

}+----
=
]

The shots drift the right thanks to the cam being to the right of the guns

Magrider side view

=
]
}+-----

The shot drifts up thanks to the cam being above the cam.

Now they work like so.
Vanguard/Lightning
=------
}+
]

Shots come from the side of the tanks turret

Prowler/AV wall turret
}+
=--------
]

Shots come out center of the turret

Magrider (side view)
=-----
]
}+

Shots come out of the center of the tank

There's no more need to take care in positioning your vehicles so not to hit a rock/tree/building. You can just lam your tank into the tightest spot you can and as long as you have sight of the target nothing else matters. You can have someone jump on your tank, stand to the side of the weapon, and get hit by blocking the drivers view while not being ANYWHERE near the cannons end.

That last bit can make jumping a vehicle trying to run you over point less. I do that all the time as a MAX by baiting idiots and jumping over them for rear shots. Now they can just stop dead with me on top, look at my foot, and land a direct hit on me without fail. I took the risk of baiting a guy to get close enough where his main gun SHOULDN'T have a shot on me thanks to my being closer than the end of the weapon and he can just ignore what once was fact.

Why do you think tank drivers hate LAs with C4 and the good old mine run? Once they got close enough to get inside the tanks main weapon it couldn't do shit. That was a skill and a high risk high reward tactic. It is just about removed now from this one change. Not a good move in my opinion.

ringring · 2013-06-12, 10:49 AM

I Tell you what, it's become a lot easier for a prowler main gun to hit a squishie.

You just put the crosshair over him and dead, whereas previously you had to offset a little and therefore there was a chance of a miss.

If that shows up in the stats maybe the devs will think the prowler is a candidate for a nerf.

Rbstr · 2013-06-12, 12:32 PM

Shots-from-the-camera is ridiculous and it needs to go back to how it was.
At the very best it's a lazy-as-hell way to fix the reticule/projectile convergence "problem" that every person with half a brain can figure out.

I mean, yay! The mag now shoots through the low hills and objects that used to get in the way...

psijaka · 2013-06-14, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by ringring

If that shows up in the stats maybe the devs will think the prowler is a candidate for a nerf.

Wouldn't surprise me at all!

Managed to "snipe" 2 infantry at stupidly long range with a phalanx AV turret a couple of days ago; direct hits; they were peeping over a ridge so it wasn't AoE damage.

And it really is so disconcerting, watching the shot do a curve. In fact, whilst I was after these guys, I noticed that the visual of the round moved from left to right, past the crosshair, and then back to the left a bit before landing on target. Totally bizarre.

They really need to reverse this change.

Next thing they'll be introducing the same for Maxes. No dead zone with dual Falcons!