1 SC = 1 cert ? - Page 3

MrBloodworth · 2012-11-02, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Ruffdog

Certs for the "depot" page I think he means. You'll still have to graft your way through the cert tree to get the optics, side armor. Taking Auraxium off the table has given certs dual significance

Ok. But, that's like, two different things being lumped together.

You do not use station cash to get optics, or rail items. So, why include them at all in trying to figure out the "worth" of SC?

Side note to Devs. 5 dollars is my limit for unlocking things. I will not, pay 10$ for a gun. I'm sorry. 1-5$ is the range.

Tatwi · 2012-11-02, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by EVILPIG

The possibility of buying certs for SC has been on the table for a long, long time. There are mixed opinions about it, mostly those who would never spend a dime on the game oppose it vs. those willing to invest. Either way, yes, it would unlock certs for you earlier than those who "earn" them, but you're not going to have anything available to you that anyone else could not have eventually anyways, so why not let SOE get the money? The game has to be paid for some way and cosmetics alone won't do it.

Can't tell you how many times I've been lynched for saying this very thing...

Cert Points = Time and Time = Money = Station Cash, so why not cut out the middle man, Time, and just sell cert points for Station Cash?

Even the worst player in universe is capable of earning a lot of Cert Points. As a result, Cert Points are not representative of someone's "skill" at playing the game. With that in mind, who cares when someone gets X amount of certs? Especially when they can already log in and just buy all the best weapons right away...

Hamma · 2012-11-02, 01:21 PM

I don't think there are any plans to purchase cert points outright. You will be able to buy boosters to XP that's likely the limit to what you will see.

xuur · 2012-11-02, 01:58 PM

this too is my thinking. Im sure the SC will still somehow translate to weapons and upgrade purchases but VERY unlikely to be direct certification. Im just awaiting some word on what and how SC 'value' will be interpreted and implemented.

I thought I understood it when it was AUX. now, Im not sure theres anything with enough meat to it to 'understand' yet.

EVILPIG · 2012-11-02, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by artifice

You are wrong, I have had every intention of investing in PS2 but I will refuse if this game becomes p2w.

Well, that's you. I said, "mostly". I never speak in absolutes unless I know something to be absolutely true.

EVILPIG · 2012-11-02, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Hamma

I don't think there are any plans to purchase cert points outright. You will be able to buy boosters to XP that's likely the limit to what you will see.

Plans? Perhaps not, but it has been a consideration since at least last Spring. I don't know if they would flat sell "certs", like bundles of 100 per say, but the ability to buy cert trees has been considered. It is effectively the same thing.

Also, I too do not see this as Pay2Win. Pay2Win to me is selling broken weapons or items for cash only. PS2 plans to offer the ability to acquire anything through certs or cash.

Dragonskin · 2012-11-02, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by EVILPIG

Also, I too do not see this as Pay2Win. Pay2Win to me is selling broken weapons or items for cash only. PS2 plans to offer the ability to acquire anything through certs or cash.

This is what Pay 2 Win means. Selling items or abilities that grant a significant advantage over anything offered in the free portion of the game. Planetside 2 doesn't currently offer anything that is close to P2W. As long as they don't offer the BFG gun that can only be bought with station cash then we have nothing to worry about.

EVILPIG · 2012-11-02, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonskin

This is what Pay 2 Win means. Selling items or abilities that grant a significant advantage over anything offered in the free portion of the game. Planetside 2 doesn't currently offer anything that is close to P2W. As long as they don't offer the BFG gun that can only be bought with station cash then we have nothing to worry about.

Exactly.

Ghoest9 · 2012-11-02, 05:47 PM

I would be completely cool with SOE selling scopes and rail mounted items.

xuur · 2012-11-02, 05:55 PM

as long as their was the ability to do the same without paying real money through in game mechanics.

Helwyr · 2012-11-02, 06:01 PM

Play2Win IMO is anywhere a player can pay money to get an advantage over other players who do not pay, getting things faster is still an advantage. Some others here like Evilpig clearly have a different definition of Pay2Win, for them it's not Pay2Win if you can get the same thing in game, even if it takes you years of playing to do so.

Anyway from my perspective PS2 already has Pay2Win with the ability to boost exp gain and purchase weapons with SC rather than certs. That doesn't mean I won't play PS2 because of this, but nor does it mean I would support purchasing other advantages like cert trees. It's matter of degree of Pay2Win that I can stomach. Faster exp gain for subscribers and the ability to purchase weapons I can accept, but some player laying down loads of cash to max out cert trees it takes everyone else months if not years to get I will not accept.

Ghoest9 · 2012-11-02, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Helwyr

Play2Win IMO is anywhere a player can pay money to get an advantage over other players who do not pay, getting things faster is still an advantage. Some others here like Evilpig clearly have a different definition of Pay2Win, for them it's not Pay2Win if you can get the same thing in game, even if it takes you years of playing to do so.

Anyway from my perspective PS2 already has Pay2Win with the ability to boost exp gain and purchase weapons with SC rather than certs. That doesn't mean I won't play PS2 because of this, but nor does it mean I would support purchasing other advantages like cert trees. It's matter of degree of Pay2Win that I can stomach. Faster exp gain for subscribers and the ability to purchase weapons I can accept, but some player laying down loads of cash to max out cert trees it takes everyone else months if not years to get I will not accept.

/em rolls eyes @ "I will not accept."

And back to reality.
If any possible advanatge in any situation is a problem for you them you should just move on tpo a new game now.

SOE has made it rather clear that the stuff you can buy can be earned by anyone and to be honest it isnt teribly hard to earn.

One of the big things a cash shop does it let a player become competent in multiple lines quickly instead of just one. If thats a problem for you - once agains I say you shouldnt be playing FTP games.

Personally I think the ideal situation is that any player could quickly be come well trained for one line so you could play one class very well a dn if you want to spend money you could play multiple classes very wwell quickly.

EVILPIG · 2012-11-02, 06:21 PM

I know some have a problem with any form of early unlocks, but I look at the reality of it. In the very beginning, those who buy stuff will have an edge. Over time, that edge becomes less and less as others earn those same unlocks. The game absolutely needs money and letting people unlock certs early is nothing compared to offering cash only carrots, like most any F2P game has to. I do not believe cosmetics alone can sustain a game. Especially a game where silly cosmetics simply do not fit in.

Helwyr · 2012-11-02, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Ghoest9

/em rolls eyes @ "I will not accept."

And back to reality.
If any possible advanatge in any situation is a problem for you them you should just move on tpo a new game now.[...]

Rolls eyes right back at you...

'I will not accept', means I will move on and not play the game. However, that's not an issue atm as the degree of Pay2Win is at a level right now that I can accept. I don't know where you got "any possible advantage in any situation is a problem" for me, because if you'd actually read my post you'd know that was not what I said.

I'm not speaking out against SOE's current level of Pay2Win, I'm speaking against those that want even more Pay2Win. So, maybe you should be rolling your eyes at them and telling them to go play another game, because there's no indication cert trees will be available for $$$.

SKYeXile · 2012-11-02, 07:16 PM

So im trying to put together my shopping list for the first day.

Pulsar LSW
Nemesis VSH9
Hailstorm turbo laser
Proton pods
Saron
Proton II
Nova

not sure if i need more or what.

oh yea maybe an upgraded carbine for the engi.