So is the Prowler going to suck like it did in PS1? - Page 3

Canaris · 2012-03-16, 08:50 AM

So far my only complaint with the new Prowler is the turret design, I'm a tank fan and the new profile of it ain't thrilling me. The Vanguard looks the business, especially from the footage from GDC, shame all the footage of the Prowlers was covered in dust or smoke/explosions.

As for will it suck like in PS1, this is Planetside 2 you can't compare anything until you've tried it out in beta or live. While I hope your for instance isn't the case, I for one really liked the original Prowler. Yeah it required more crew to fully operate but it could hit at 2 targets at once opposed to the Van/Mag only being able for single. If it was well handled the Prowler was a beast.

BuzzCutPsycho · 2012-03-16, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Figment

Has nothing to do with hard to hit, has everything to do with damage output and leading ability of the dual 100mm.

You do realise that faster rate of fire provides more accuracy for arced shots because it's easier to correct your aim based on previous shot?

You're not helping your argument whatsoever. When fighting the Prowler you can easily stand off at a distance and deliver accurate shots into the massive hull of that vehicle while being in very little danger of the tank killing you. If you're using a Thunderer (like you said) I am going to assume that you're NC so the only other tank you will be contending with is the Magrider. Know what tank will hit you from a range and thus nullify your advantage? The one strafing from left to right over a lake while penetrating your armor with it's pinpoint accurate main canon thus directly countering the advantages you have over the Prowler.

If you truly found the Prowler with all of it's disadvantages to be a bigger threat to you and your Thunderer crew I'd say that it's less telling of the "power" of the Prowler and more of you having a severe case of the bads.

Figment · 2012-03-16, 09:05 AM

Did you just call the Thunderer accurate?

Also, Empire events. Vanguards are easy kills. Can easily be circled.

EDIT: I just noticed you called me a bad driver.

I'm calling you an example of how whiny and self-pitying TR have always been in PS1 due to self deluding arguments and often not knowing how to handle their equipment (by creating range, etc).

BuzzCutPsycho · 2012-03-16, 09:08 AM

I'd call a cannon which has a fast projectile and zero arc accurate.

Figment · 2012-03-16, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by BuzzCutPsycho

I'd call a cannon which has a fast projectile and zero arc accurate.

Fail. It's called:

Huge Cone of Fire.

Accuracy is about being able to predict what you will hit. Not how fast or what curve it has. Prowler is easier to predict with a more steady, accurate curve and rapid rate of fire for leading.

MrBloodworth · 2012-03-16, 09:09 AM

Will you two stop with the nerd fight, for real. Its tiresome. When things get personal, discussion is over.

BuzzCutPsycho · 2012-03-16, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by Figment

Fail. It's called:

Huge Cone of Fire.

Accuracy is about being able to predict what you will hit. Not how fast or what curve it has. Prowler is easier to predict with a more steady, accurate curve and rapid rate of fire for leading.

Looks to have next to no cone of fire to me. Then again you're also the same person who thinks it's hard to hit/kill a Prowler so I should expect nothing less.

Either way this thread is about the Prowler so get back on topic.

Figment · 2012-03-16, 09:15 AM

You call that accurate? Did you actually see all the tracer fire missing the Magrider and that just sheer volume of fire took it out? I also hope you realise that the projectile speed of the Thunderer is actually one of the slower in PlanetSide where it comes to vehicles.

EDIT: btw, count the amount of shots and the amount of yellow bubbly things that confirm a hit. You'll notice the percentage is very, very low.

BuzzCutPsycho · 2012-03-16, 09:16 AM

Bad gunners don't make the weapon itself inaccurate. Either way I'm done with you as I've proven you to be wrong awhile back.

Figment · 2012-03-16, 09:19 AM

Everything is bad that doesn't agree with you, isn't it?

BuzzCutPsycho · 2012-03-16, 09:21 AM

Usually yes.

Checowsky · 2012-03-16, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by BuzzCutPsycho

Bad gunners don't make the weapon itself inaccurate. Either way I'm done with you as I've proven you to be wrong awhile back.

So a bad gunner for a thundy isn't a problem but a bad gunner in a prowler is?

BuzzCutPsycho · 2012-03-16, 10:07 AM

Nice straw man.

Checowsky · 2012-03-16, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by BuzzCutPsycho

Nice straw man.

It seems to be the argument here, if we are talking about the context of AV here then the Prowler was great, just because it was hard to gun doesn't make it bad by your own admission. If you want to get into multi vehicle then can you honestly say a Reaver would lose to a vannie just because it had that 20mm that could barely aim up? That was at best an irritation. By the numbers 1 fully manned prowler nearly had the DPS of 2 vannies [420 vs 450] but tbh if you get 1 more guy and 2 prowlers you exceed the vannies and negate the armor difference with 600 DPS. It wasn't much slower either.

Just because the driver sucked and failed to take into account that fighting a maggie on water wasn't clever doesn't make the vehicle bad, again by your own logic. So whats the complaint?

If you had said it was harder for the general populace to use and therefore it became inferior such as the Lasher did on VS I'd be more with you.

BuzzCutPsycho · 2012-03-16, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Malorn

In PS1 the Prowler (at least for the first several years, I dont' know what happened in later years), was the worst tank by a significant margin.

1) It was slow. The TR theme is speed in PS2 so maybe this helps it.

2) It had good dps. After a few patches the Prowler did seem to have the highest damage throughput of all the tanks. It did less per-shot than the Vanguard, but it had a higher RoF that made it better in overall DPS.

3) It had 2 gunner spots, and both were required to fully utilize the prowler. The Gunner in the Vanguard had both a main gun and a 20mm gun. The Gunner in the Prowler had just the main gun, and a second gunner got a craptastic 12mm. You needed 3 people to get the effectiveness that 2 had in the Vanguard.

So is the Prowler going to have a niche in PS2 that makes it a good tank in some aspects?

The PS2.com description in the TR empire brief mentions this about the prowler:

The bit about the speed is a great step forward and helps make up for having less armor than the Vanguard, and less maneuverability than the Magrider.

The bit about "armed to the teeth with extra weapon systems beyond the other empires medium tanks" concerns me.

Does that mean the Prowler is once again a 3-man tank? Are we going to have to have 3-man crews in order to fully realize the Prowler's dps potential? Or are these extra weapon systems meant to make the Prowler the tank with the highest raw DPS?

Can we get some clarification on this? We've seen a lot about the Magrider and Vanguard but hardly anything about the Prowler. Please tell me it moved away from the extra-gunner stuff.

Malorn's original post in case we all forgot.