Science vs Religion - Page 3

Evilmp · 2011-09-25, 06:56 AM

Just one thing:

You can't argue with an entity that makes up new "facts" to counter reason.

It's idiotic to try as every debate turns into a stalemate.

Alright, one more thing:

Religion, by default, is a control. I've not seen a religion that doesn't have some sort of punishment if you stray.

You don't need anyone or anything to know right from wrong.

Firefly · 2011-09-25, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by Effective

Couple of things, atheism isn't a religion

I put it in the category in which most people file it under: "religious belief" because the opposite of religion is having none. It's pedantic semantics, really. Technically, your race is human but I bet when you submit paperwork you define your race as black, white, Asian, Arab, Pacific Islander, whatever. That's an ethnicity and skin colour.

Side (irrelevant) note: whenever I see that block on paperwork I put down "other" and write in "human".

Crator · 2011-09-25, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Firefly

Side (irrelevant) note: whenever I see that block on paperwork I put down "other" and write in "human".

Nice! I'm going to have to start doing that

I hate racism.

Effective · 2011-09-25, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Firefly

I put it in the category in which most people file it under: "religious belief" because the opposite of religion is having none. It's pedantic semantics, really. Technically, your race is human but I bet when you submit paperwork you define your race as black, white, Asian, Arab, Pacific Islander, whatever. That's an ethnicity and skin colour.

I just kinda consider along the same lines that if atheism is a religion, then not collecting baseball cards is a hobby

Firefly · 2011-09-25, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Effective

I just kinda consider along the same lines that if atheism is a religion, then not collecting baseball cards is a hobby

The word "atheist" and "atheism" is derived from the Greek word "atheos", which means "without god". It does not mean, per se, that atheism is a complete and utter lack of spiritual, religious, or deist beliefs. There are atheists who are spiritual/spiritualists. There are atheists who are irreligious, which does not necessarily mean without religion - it can also mean you are indifferent towards religion. There are certain types of religions which are classified as an atheistic religion - Jainism, which is kindness towards all living things, and certain types of Buddhism, for example. They are still religions, despite being atheistic in nature. Ultimately, because it is NOT a specific type of religion, it is up to the individual how to interpret their beliefs. There's no First Atheist Church of Springfield where all the little atheists go to sing "Amazing Lack of Grace" and "The Old Rugged Cross Never Existed". So you as an atheist or I as an atheist determine what our beliefs are.

You can define it how you like, but because it deals with religious beliefs (zero is still an integer, as it were) it is considered a religious preference for the purpose of indicating what your religion is. Ironic: you have no religion, you're atheist, but the fuckers on Facebook still have it listed as a religious choice.

duomaxwl · 2011-09-25, 11:36 PM

Science. I believe in the big electron. It just is.

2coolforu · 2011-09-26, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by Firefly

The word "atheist" and "atheism" is derived from the Greek word "atheos", which means "without god". It does not mean, per se, that atheism is a complete and utter lack of spiritual, religious, or deist beliefs. There are atheists who are spiritual/spiritualists. There are atheists who are irreligious, which does not necessarily mean without religion - it can also mean you are indifferent towards religion. There are certain types of religions which are classified as an atheistic religion - Jainism, which is kindness towards all living things, and certain types of Buddhism, for example. They are still religions, despite being atheistic in nature. Ultimately, because it is NOT a specific type of religion, it is up to the individual how to interpret their beliefs. There's no First Atheist Church of Springfield where all the little atheists go to sing "Amazing Lack of Grace" and "The Old Rugged Cross Never Existed". So you as an atheist or I as an atheist determine what our beliefs are.

You can define it how you like, but because it deals with religious beliefs (zero is still an integer, as it were) it is considered a religious preference for the purpose of indicating what your religion is. Ironic: you have no religion, you're atheist, but the fuckers on Facebook still have it listed as a religious choice.

It's a religious choice because you can choose to have no religion or have one, that's the choice on the Facebook status thing. Anyway any spiritualism is added onto atheism, atheism as you said is just 'no gods'.

Quovatis · 2011-09-26, 02:50 PM

Being able to say "we don't know (yet)" is a big part of science, but not religion. Just because we don't understand something doesn't mean a god is the default explanation.

Lonehunter · 2011-09-27, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Malorn

I don't see any charities, shelters, and support intitutions in the name of Science either.

I really like that line, lol. But if said charity isn't based on any religion does that make it count towards science? There just aren't many scientific breakthroughs in charity work, I'm just saying that's an "apples and oranges" statement

Wahooo · 2011-09-27, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Lonehunter187

I really like that line, lol. But if said charity isn't based on any religion does that make it count towards science? There just aren't many scientific breakthroughs in charity work, I'm just saying that's an "apples and oranges" statement

Not shelters, but many non-profits are based on medical research which is close. MDA, Heart Association, many cancer research and many non-profit low income housing groups. As I said religions do their part, but hardly a monopoly.

Krowe · 2011-09-27, 07:27 PM

Religion, imo, is a decent way to have increased self-esteem and to meet other people with similar beliefs.

Science, on the other hand, paves the way for newer ways to make life easier, more productive, or entertaining.

When I consider these base concepts, I honestly believe they have no room to meddle with each other or even attack each other, simply because in the end they have different core objectives.

Oh and anybody who wants to shove religion down society's throat can fuck off.

MadPenguin · 2011-09-28, 07:29 AM

Religion, imo, is a decent way to have increased self-esteem and to meet other people with similar beliefs.

Science, on the other hand, paves the way for newer ways to make life easier, more productive, or entertaining.

When I consider these base concepts, I honestly believe they have no room to meddle with each other or even attack each other, simply because in the end they have different core objectives.

Another way you might give someone self-esteem is to convince them from an early age that when they hit about 30 they will become some sort of super-human/super powered thing. Sure, they would feel better about themselves.

By your logic science can have nothing to say about the truth of this idea because they have "different core objectives".

Similarly, would you use that reasoning to defend astrology? It might have different core objectives, that doesn't mean science can have nothing to say about it.

Crator · 2011-09-28, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by MadPenguin

Another way you might give someone self-esteem is to convince them from an early age that when they hit about 30 they will become some sort of super-human/super powered thing. Sure, they would feel better about themselves.

I disagree wholeheartedly. The reason is because once they get to 30 and they realize they don't have super-human powers one comes to the conclusion that they've been lied to. At this point they reject the people/ideas that fed them these lies. Same thing happens with religion.

Sirisian · 2011-09-28, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Crator

I disagree wholeheartedly. The reason is because once they get to 30 and they realize they don't have super-human powers one comes to the conclusion that they've been lied to. At this point they reject the people/ideas that fed them these lies. Same thing happens with religion.

Didn't really bother me when my parents lied about Santa, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy. Also no one would fall for that super-human stuff at 30. It's a bit unrealistic.

The trick is that with Religion (well Christianity) is that you don't find out until you're already dead. So no one is the wiser since they can't ask the person what happened. "When you die you get to go Heaven if you're good!" or "You get 72 virgins!". Perfect strategy since humans are extremely gullible, no offense. Works better when you get those ideas in when they're young. As adults we're a lot more skeptical toward new ideas.

MadPenguin · 2011-09-28, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Crator

I disagree wholeheartedly. The reason is because once they get to 30 and they realize they don't have super-human powers one comes to the conclusion that they've been lied to. At this point they reject the people/ideas that fed them these lies. Same thing happens with religion.

Its just an example

. The reasoning holds, if you dont like this example i will refer you to the astrology example, people go to their graves believing that stuff and it makes them feel better.