Connery pilot Vertical thrust talk

[Coltorl]

They wouldn't be classified as a dedicated fighter, you may be thinking of the popular American multi-role fighters such as an f 35, whereas a plane like an a-10 would be CAS. A dedicated fighter such as an f-22 or an su-27 generally do not have ground attack capabilities, because other planes do it better. The terms ESF implies air superiority, just as much as a fighter jet implies air superiority, if they changed the name to Empire Specific Multi Role Fighter it would be more fitting.

As a side note I am against the nerf, just had to clarify to Solleks

[SolLeks]

Oh I am sorry, I see bombs and stuff.

[Coltorl]

In a real combat environment all stealth would be lost once that plane engages the ground. And the F-22 isn't nearly as versatile as our current ESF. The F 22 has no real air targets to engage, the air force has let it run cas missions in some instances, mostly to get the pilots experienced in flying the plane in a combat environment. It was designed as a air superiority stealth fighter, not a multi role fighter, once a 'real' war hits the F-22 would not be engaging the ground like that. And the SU 27 is probably a better example of an air superiority fighter, given that it doesn't engage ground targets as much as an F 22

[SolLeks]

Originally Posted by Coltorl

In a real combat environment all stealth would be lost once that plane engages the ground. And the F-22 isn't nearly as versatile as our current ESF. The F 22 has no real air targets to engage, the air force has let it run cas missions in some instances, mostly to get the pilots experienced in flying the plane in a combat environment. It was designed as a air superiority stealth fighter, not a multi role fighter, once a 'real' war hits the F-22 would not be engaging the ground like that. And the SU 27 is probably a better example of an air superiority fighter, given that it doesn't engage ground targets as much as an F 22

at this point you are arguing semantics.

just because the name "Empire specific fighter" is used, you think its A2A only?

We only have 3 aircraft in this entire game. why would the 'fighter' not be a multi roll aircraft?

[Coltorl]

I was making a point to correct you, I don't think it should only be an superiority aircraft. But with the existence of the Liberator as an A2G option, most people (most people are not pilots) see an ESF as the A2A option. I do believe that the the rocket pods are better at almost every thing than the AB tanks, but with the next update that should change.

[SolLeks]

Originally Posted by Coltorl

I was making a point to correct you, I don't think it should only be an superiority aircraft. But with the existence of the Liberator as an A2G option, most people (most people are not pilots) see an ESF as the A2A option. I do believe that the the rocket pods are better at almost every thing than the AB tanks, but with the next update that should change.

ok, so you have been just playing devils advocate then?

I find more use in the extra fuel, and my nosegun is good enough to engage just about everything (it takes like 3 or 4 mags to kill a tank, but I'm fine with that as I rarely shoot tanks, il let my outfit mates on the ground take care of the tanks.)

I definitely can't wait for the buff that external fuel tanks will have though.

[NoXousX]

The meta game IS the ground game. Let's not forget that. I'm sure a lot of players would love to circle jerk @ 1000m all day, but it accomplishes nothing, and this should be taken in to consideration when changes are made to aircraft.

ESFs are better off than they ever have been (balance wise). A few tweaks need to be made, but overall they are ok. These fuel pod/reverse maneuver changes etc will only deteriorate both dogfighting and the air/ground relationship or lack thereof.

[Coltorl]

If you are starting off I higly recommend you learn on dogfighting airframe it has the highest skill cap imo and gives you significant advantages at outflying the bads