All Races Equal?

[Mognoc]

Originally Posted by Madcow

Not having the dominant weapon in those areas makes some TR feel slighted.

Not having the dominant weapon? You mean that you say you're unbalanced because you dont have the dominant weapon, is that correct?

[BadAsh]

Originally Posted by Ed the MAD

why does everyone always want to have all things on an equal footing? i understand the need for some equality, but overbalancing ruins the whole game. especially when you tweak the equipment every three days. you don't see the U.S. army making their M-16s less effective because they have more troops, do you? no. you don't see them making their M-1 Abrams slower and less accurate because it's too powerful", do you? you don't see the brits nerfing their Challenger2 because it's the best tank in the wourld, do you? feck no! if you have an advantage, you work like hell to keep it, if your enimy has the avantage, you fight like the devil to wrench it out of their cold, dead hands. that's how it's done. just because you don't have the firepower to take a hill, doesn't mean it's an unfair advantage. you just need to rethink your tactics.

With respect to your post I think you are just comparing completely different things. This is a game and not reality. In a game you want things even to foster competition. In reality you do whatever you have to for the purpose of crushing your enemy. In reality there is no balance and no desire to achieve balance. You don�t want this in a game. If you did it would be like playing a �reality� game of U.S. vs. Iraq. If so sign me up for the U.S. team please. With a 5,000 to 1 kill ratio things were probably not �even� or �fair�.

BadAsh

[WolfA4]

Originally Posted by Madcow

The Burster is freaking hell on wheels and hardly ever used. .

are you kidding me? every night i play me and my driver always have atleast one harrassing our vanguard if not multiple ones! god those things are annoying not so much because they hurt our tank wich they dont, but because they just make my screen red! it gets damn hard to shoot with a blinking red screen!

i make sure to always kill those SOB's as soon as i see them.

[Jagd]

Oh no. The humiliation of having to aim through flashing red lights that don't significantly hurt you. I feel for all the poor Vanguard drivers, constantly being pestered with sticks and stones.

[Madcow]

Originally Posted by Mognoc

Not having the dominant weapon? You mean that you say you're unbalanced because you dont have the dominant weapon, is that correct?

Next time read the whole post, mmmkay?

[Madcow]

Originally Posted by WolfA4

are you kidding me? every night i play me and my driver always have atleast one harrassing our vanguard if not multiple ones! god those things are annoying not so much because they hurt our tank wich they dont, but because they just make my screen red! it gets damn hard to shoot with a blinking red screen!

i make sure to always kill those SOB's as soon as i see them.

According to Thottbot:

Anti-Air MAX
Burster, 17.6%
Sparrow, 18.0%
Starfire, 19.7%

That's the percentage of all players with the certification. So not only is the Burster the least used of the empire specific AA MAXs, there's less than a 1 in 5 chance of any TR on the battlefield even owning the cert (much less actually being in the suit). Considering the low cost of the cert, and the long range value during base assaults, I think the TR don't utilize the cert nearly enough.

[InfiniteStorm]

Originally Posted by sutserikeru

i agree, i have yet to see a VS dev char...
All i see are NC, i wonder why...

SporkfirePS plays on Emerald as a VS a lot and has squaded with my outfit.

And BTW, No empire is overpowered. A lot of people in my outfit love looting MCG's because of their effectiveness at range which is far superior to that of the JH and Lasher.

[Rbstr]

The TR are not under powered, they have a great advntage with regards to the MCG becuas eyou can fire it accuratly at good ranges. Both the lasher and LH have NO power at more than med ranges, the lasher does have a bit but the JH is relay inefective over 20-30 meter distanes becasue so few pellets hit, the sweeper is better at that range. And don't vcomplain about the Striker nerf so much the thing was HUGELY over powered before, it more than likely take down a reaver in one clip if you uses the fire then lock method. and it fires fast enough to be used indoors, the phoeinx sucks indoors or even when your in the line of site of the enemy because you can only fire one at a time befor reloading and the missle has to explode before you can reload. The cycler is by far the best MA. Yes your Maxes special ability sucks but so deos the NC's, in most situations it does jack.

But i thnk the empires are ballenced in a lopsided way, liek a mobiel, the things can be different sizes and shapes and distances away from the center but it still balences

[Madcow]

Originally Posted by Rbstr

it more than likely take down a reaver in one clip if you uses the fire then lock method. and it fires fast enough to be used indoors, the phoeinx sucks indoors or even when your in the line of site of the enemy because you can only fire one at a time befor reloading and the missle has to explode before you can reload. The cycler is by far the best MA. Yes your Maxes special ability sucks but so deos the NC's, in most situations it does jack.

First off, you can't use the fire then lock method with the Striker. That's been removed.

Second, neither the Striker nor the Phoenix is especially useful once you get indoors. If you're pulling out any missile other than the Decimator indoors you're doing it wrong.

Third, please don't try and discount the usefulness of the Phoenix. It's insulting and discounts your entire argument.

Fourth, the Cycler is by far the best MA? I personally prefer it but I also find many people who prefer the Gauss or the Pulsar. How can it by far be the best MA if people can't even come to some sort of consensus about it?

Fifth, the NC MAX ability used to be useless and is fairly nice since the buff. VS then NC then TR is the pecking order on that one. TR used to have the best ability but since they've brought the Pounder down so far it seems only useful for the Burster any longer.

Blind whining that your empire is being picked on is no less annoying than blindly responding with equally silly statements.

[Ed the MAD]

Originally Posted by BadAsh

With respect to your post I think you are just comparing completely different things. This is a game and not reality. In a game you want things even to foster competition. In reality you do whatever you have to for the purpose of crushing your enemy. In reality there is no balance and no desire to achieve balance. You don�t want this in a game. If you did it would be like playing a �reality� game of U.S. vs. Iraq. If so sign me up for the U.S. team please. With a 5,000 to 1 kill ratio things were probably not �even� or �fair�.

BadAsh

i'd say that all three empires would have roughly the same production abilities. therefor, it would not be a "U.S. vs Iraqi" type deal. more of a "WW1 prior to U.S. involvement" type of fight. where neither side can maintain supremecy over any other faction for very long.

all i'm saying is, stop farting around with the weapons and equipment. they are fine. the problem lies in the end users of the weapons and equipment. a sad minority(majority?) of them are morons. don't listen to them, as they would probably pick their ears with an S&W .38. i'm not sugesting anything related to suicide, i'm just stating a fact that they are stupid, and simply don't know how to properly utilise said weapons and equipment.

[KIAsan]

I love to read this stuff, even if I don't always agree. I play TR on Emerald, and have since I joined the game. I remember before the balance pass, we had all the zerg. TR ruled. After they nerfed some of our stuff, the fair weather types fled for greener pastures (in this case, NC). Now we have (had maybe due to merger) a lower population.

SO WHAT! The core of TR stayed and we still work together and enjoy our time online. If it was too out of wack, we would also vote with our feet and leave for NC. I will admit I seem to be in far more base defenses than offenses as of late. I also see us get kicked out of these bases at a higher rate when up against NC (we seem to hold our own against VS). But this is due more to population than to weapons buffs.

Now, if the populations don't stabalize after a few months, then maybe they need to look at balance. Until then, leave it alone and lets see what happens.

KIAsan
TR-Emerald (new and improved)

[Nimbus]

The TR are at a disadvantage. The disadvantage is MOSTLY the lower population though. We get outnumbered a lot. I dunno how many times I've been in a tower defense where there are like 20 of us huddled inside and the enemy force outside has like 10 mags, 5 reavers, a mosquito and an ams. As for equipment. The striker need to be buffed up to make the damage comparable to that of the other empires OR needs to be able to fire faster. Didn't they lower its rate of fire AND it's damage before? As for the pounder, that thing is just sad. I tried playing with it today. I LOST one on one combat with a vanu weilding a sweeper in agile. I had full health and armor and he didn't even get behind me, thats just me trying to hit him with the grenades and him pumping rounds into me. There is seriously something wrong with that MAX.

[Ed the MAD]

like i said, overbalancing ruins the game.

[Hexen]

Jebus, you NC that don't see the power of your empire are incredibly short sighted. It really is very blatantly obvious.

And yeah, some empires are better at things than others, its just too bad some of those things are worthless. TR are better at shooting loads of crap really fast, but unfortunately that doesn't do us any good when NC's "fire slow for loads of damage" build causes them to be able to do far more damage in the same amount of time.

Imagine two soldiers both in Reinforced ExoSuit who both had perfect aim and were firing at eachother with about 3 metres distance. One has the jackhammer, one has the MCG. Honestly, who do you think would win?

"Some empires do things better than others" is a null statement because the goal of both these soldiers is to deal heavy damage at short range. The MCGer will open fire, attempting to use his high rate of fire, which would only cause his cone of fire to become so large that even at such short range, many of his shots will miss. Meanwhile the Jackhammer wielder will be pumping entire shells at the MCGer, probably taking him down in a little more than 1 second, coming out not even heavily damaged.

The MCG can basically be viewed as a newbie killer, due to it's high clip size it can easily mow through loads of lightly armoured troops, unfortunately though, this isn't a terribly useful ability as any other HA weapon can basically do this anyway, only they'll probably run out of ammo faster.

[Flammey]

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