Balance passes and our cert points - Page 3

Figment · 2013-01-15, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Palerion

Things don't get nerfed in real life...

I'm quite sure things like stamps, adaptors, rechargeable battery types and other stuff people purchase before they need it often become obsolete due to being replaced.

Sledgecrushr · 2013-01-15, 04:07 PM

Im an electrician. Every three years we get a new codebook chock full of nerfs and changes. Its pretty fun adapting to new changes every couple of years. This process right now is moving a bit quicker for ps2. Still I find the changes are fun and adapting and getting good with new elements will keep this game fresh for years.

Baneblade · 2013-01-15, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Palerion

Things don't get nerfed in real life...

I was going to say this, then I realized it wasn't true.

StumpyTheOzzie · 2013-01-15, 04:40 PM

Yesss.. I see what you're saying... But I bought the zephyr because it was awesome.

Stamps, batteries, rechargers etc all still work the same way as the day your bought them (unless they broke, in which case you spawn a new one of the same model)

My zephyr is going to fundamentally change. It's not wear and tear.

I'm not fighting the changes though. I actually think they should have been worked out during a longer beta and I've done well (certwise) profiting from the zeph's OP. So I've gained more certs than I will lose, I'm quite sure about that.

As a compromise, can we have a re-spec that costs us.... 20%? I have sunk several hundred certs into Reaver at the start of my career and never used them. I can afford to do without them if it means I can pimp out my medic/infil using the certs currently invested in the liberator.

Chaff · 2013-01-15, 04:42 PM

People want to buy the weapon(s) that give them the best chances of winning, surviving, or OP-ng the competition. SOE has no choice but to adjust the weapon & game mechanics in the search of reaching a happy medium between fairness & bitching.

People buffed out GALs or LIBs for the farming. Those that jumped on the advantage early, got MORE than their share back in easy XP & Cert advancement. Those that jumped in later - that's life. Some but a stock before it hits, others but too late. Same with the housing market, etc....

Sony don't owe players jack after a nerf or buff. It sucks if it was your favorite play style, but making the game balanaced to a thelargest persentage of players possible is what's best for the game. If Sony makes adjustments to weapons for that reason we have to respect it - regardless which side of the benefit/loss we fall. Ultimatley these things aren't as big as them seem. If you weapon was OP 5 seconds or 5 years - be glad for what benefits you were fortunate enough to receive.

LoliLoveFart · 2013-01-15, 05:26 PM

Its a strange issue. Of course people are going to invest in something that is either incredibly powerful or incredibly easy to use. Just because people paid cash for that or put in a lot of hours doesnt means its balanced.
As for refunds. Its an MMO things get buffed and nerfed all the time I think we just have to stomach it. No point in saying the sky is falling till it actually falls

Thunderhawk · 2013-01-15, 05:51 PM

I personally dont see the harm in them doing that if they so wished (Cert Reset), I mean whoever played WoW knows whenever some serious changes were done, they offered clean reset of talents so people could choose how they wanted to carry on.

The game logs the total number of certs earnt since the beginning of time for your character, I am sure it's even in the stats if you take a look a bit more closely...

In fact, yes it does for me it's

Certification Points: 20173

So its not total unfeasible for them to do it.

Either way though, you play a game owned by Sony, so what you're doing - in my eyes - is paying for the privilege to rent the character from SOE so to speak, so they can do with it what they want.

fine either way, the only difference is that your char may end up being a little more tidy, then having half certed items, or things you went half into then decided not to cert fully.

My OCD side would love to clean up my char, but my realistic side thinks "meh"

maradine · 2013-01-15, 05:57 PM

You agree that SOE retains the unfettered right to modify its games and all aspects of characters, items, points and coin, including Station Cash (collectively, "Virtual Goods") therein. You acknowledge that SOE has been, is, and will be constantly making changes to its games. You further acknowledge that SOE can and will, in its discretion, modify features, functions or abilities of any element of any of its games or any Virtual Goods (which may, among other things, make the Virtual Goods substantially more valuable, effective or functional, or less valuable, effective or functional, more common or less common, or eliminated entirely). You acknowledge and agree that all Virtual Goods represent a limited license right governed by the terms of this Agreement, and are not redeemable for any sum of money or monetary value from SOE at any time.

Arguing fairness is usually more productive ahead of the "Agree" button. Planetside weapons are literally no more or less valuable than Farmville cows.

Still, I'd be miffed if zebra camo suddenly got nerfed.

Figment · 2013-01-15, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by StumpyTheOzzie

As a compromise, can we have a re-spec that costs us.... 20%? I have sunk several hundred certs into Reaver at the start of my career and never used them. I can afford to do without them if it means I can pimp out my medic/infil using the certs currently invested in the liberator.

World of Tanks has a tank crew specialisation respec option. Free it costs experience points, if you pay silver (in-game stuff), it costs less. If you pay gold, it doesn't cost. If you pay silver or gold, you get small boosts in basic tank training when changing tanks, more costly reset by changing types of tanks too (so for example, from scout to medium or artillery, but then special skills don't reset: -20%, -10%, 0%).

Note, with an exponential skill point requirement to earn higher skill rates, that can be extremely costly in terms of time you need to regain it by playing. Especially if you're resetting a char with three developed skills.

typhaon · 2013-01-15, 06:10 PM

I think it's certainly a reasonable request. This is one of the reasons I've actually avoided dumping 1000 certs into the final level of any skills... the other being none of the final levels actually seem valuable (compared to what else I could do with the 1000 certs).

Weapons... I don't care too much about... buy your cash during 3x days and they cost about $2.33 each... at most. The certs on skills, however... those represent a lot of time spent in the game.

OTOH - I don't think SOE will implement any kind of a refund until the cries from the masses are loud enough.

Towe · 2013-01-16, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by LONGFELLA KOJ

If you decide to dump a ton of cert points, like 1000+, into something and then they nerf it to hell, is it fair that you just have to smile and take it? I haven't had a chance to read the fine print that SOE has put out with the guns/gear, but I'm sure they have covered themselves.

So you invested in something overpowered and it got balanced? Stop whining, at least you had your fun time using it when it was too good.

Did you ever think about people who invest in something underpowered? Shouldnt they get something for their certs/money?

Things should be balanced, not only that everyone gets something for their certs, but to make the game better.

And what do you mean you didnt have the chance to read fineprint? At least be onest and admit that you were too lazy.

LONGFELLA KOJ · 2013-01-16, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Towe

So you invested in something overpowered and it got balanced? Stop whining, at least you had your fun time using it when it was too good.

Did you ever think about people who invest in something underpowered? Shouldnt they get something for their certs/money?

Things should be balanced, not only that everyone gets something for their certs, but to make the game better.

And what do you mean you didnt have the chance to read fineprint? At least be onest and admit that you were too lazy.

It's people like you that make participating in a forum conversation such a rewarding experience. You're right. I'll just uninstall the game, hop in the car and drive myself into oncoming traffic.

Figment · 2013-01-16, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by LONGFELLA KOJ

It's people like you that make participating in a forum conversation such a rewarding experience. You're right. I'll just uninstall the game, hop in the car and drive myself into oncoming traffic.

Don't be a dramaqueen and answer the man.

Hamma · 2013-01-16, 09:44 PM

Yea this is one of those it is what it is things. You bought it and it could be modified at any time really.

psijaka · 2013-01-17, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by LONGFELLA KOJ

If you decide to dump a ton of cert points, like 1000+, into something and then they nerf it to hell, is it fair that you just have to smile and take it? I haven't had a chance to read the fine print that SOE has put out with the guns/gear, but I'm sure they have covered themselves.

It's fair although slightly frustrating. It's not as if spending certs costs money, and time should not be a factor IMO, as we are playing for enjoyment and entertainment (aren't we?).

Not fair at all to nerf things that people pay SC for though, although I'm sure that the men in grey suits have made sure that SoE are covered if they do go down this route. If this happened, I would expect the option of beign able to relinquish the item and get an SC refund.

This happened in a big way over on Battlefield Play4Free, guns only available for cash were nerfed to hell (late 2011), and people were then expected to RENT upgrades for them to make them useable. Huge outcry on the forums but to no avail - tough luck - EAsy were covered by their legal small print. No way to treat your community though; hopefully will not happen here.