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I belive that believing in the Trinity, that Christ is the Saviour makes you Christian, Duck is right, as Catholics belive this. | 5 | 20.00% | |
Catholics and Protestants worship a bit differently, Dumbass is right. | 8 | 32.00% | |
Err... I don't really follow the inner workings of the Church that much... | 12 | 48.00% | |
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2003-09-06, 12:50 AM | [Ignore Me] #31 | |||
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I dont think god created a monkey and named him adam. I think god created the possibility for life on millions of planets and that given free will, we evolved. When we reached the status of likeness to him is when we start becoming accountable for our actions. duck is right in his last post, and no one, absolutely no one can judge where you go after you are done with your physical body exept god.
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2003-09-06, 12:53 AM | [Ignore Me] #33 | ||
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Ok there are to many things to comment on so I'm not gonna comment on all of it.
I belive that God created Man not monkeys. Also I belive the Christainity isn't a religion. It means you belive in God and that Jesus died for our sins and he is my personal Lord and Savior. I do not belive in evolution. You can pray anywhere not just in Church but God said that when two or more people gather in his name he will be there. That does not mean that your prayers outside of Church won't be answered or listened to cause they will. Church can also help you understand the Bible better cause the text in it isn't easy to read. Sometimes you might not get what it says but there are people that have been studying the Bible for many years. Edit: Also no one can judge who is going to Hell or Heavan only God Last edited by 321; 2003-09-06 at 01:11 AM. |
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2003-09-06, 12:56 AM | [Ignore Me] #34 | ||
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but what if satan doesn't want you to come down the his world? I mean he also must have some kinda saying in it too. if he disagrees then would ya just like be sent back to earth to act like casper or sumtin? bleh.
and i rather name a monkey freezer than adam. |
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2003-09-06, 12:57 AM | [Ignore Me] #35 | |||
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and why couldnt we have evolved from monkeys?
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2003-09-06, 12:58 AM | [Ignore Me] #36 | ||
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We must be tested even though we were created by a perfect being that knows everything there is possible to know about us.
Sounds to me like humans are god's play things... If and when science solves all of the mysteries of the universe which religion exploits claiming that it's god that is influencing this unexplained event, then we can talk. To me, anyone who so firmly believes there is a god, no question whatsoever just because the bible says so, sounds rather silly. Guess it all comes down to faith, which is why I hate religion so much, because it has the loopholes with have no evidence of there being a god, or that biblical events truly happened, and even if it can be proven false, the religious people say "well it's all based on faith". Doesn't work like that but good luck getting a person terrified of going to hell if they question god's existance to believe you. Religious people are scared of science because it is slowly solving everything that was once known to be an "act of god".
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2003-09-06, 01:01 AM | [Ignore Me] #37 | |||
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As far as the Bible having no scientific backing, you couldn't be further from the truth. In the book of Joshua it says that God made the sun and moon stand still so the Isrealites could win their war. Scientists have studyed the rotation of the earth and the timeline of history and have found that some point along the way the earth did indeed "skip" a period of time in the earths rotation. There is also several scientific studys behind the proof of the Flood. And you got one part right, i do fear God. Not in a, way you would think about it, but more of an intense respect for his power and righteousness. The way I see ii, God is not tolerant, but he is patient. If you ask God for forgivenss, it is granted, but as meany of you out there with children know, being forgiven does not nulify repercussions. God will forgive your sins if you ask and will let you in to heavan, but you have to understand that what you did is wrong, repent, and make an actuall effort to not do that again. And in case you haven't noticed yet, i am not getting uneasy, people get uneasy when beleif systems they are not confident and knowledgable about are being tested. They are unsure if it will actually hold up to scrutiny and get nervous. Thats the case with all people, not just Christians. As far as you saying that there is no afterlife, that has no more "proof" then me saying it does. As far as animals and humans, the difference is in the soul (yes, I know, you don't buy it, but its true) humans can tell the difference between right and wrong, even if they choose to ignore it. When you do something wrong, you can feel it (assuming you have a conscience), animals don't, they act on instinct and training. There is no such thing as an evil animal, or a good animal for that matter. You say that matter can "poof" itself into existence, I am going to have to see proof of that before I beleive it, because that breaks several well established laws of the universe. And no, God made no mistake. If you read Genesis, Adam and Eve where first created in a perfect world, the Garden of Eden, where they walked and talked with God. God gave humans the gift of freedom of choice, meaning that God could not force us to choose him and follow his rules, or reject him and not. Adam and Eve sinned, creating a rift between man and God. God gave man the choice, Man chose to not follow his rules. He could have scrapped the whole Humanity project right there, but he didn't. He told them there was still a way to get back to a perfect fellowship with God, by following the way he provided us so that we could go to heaven. Also, even if there are certain circumstances that allow for spontaneous apperance of matter (wich I strongly doubt) who created those instances? At some point something had to be made, wheither it be primordial goo, the instnaces that allow for spontaneous construction, or completed humans and animals themselves. My conclusion. We each have our own beleif system, and each requires faith. You obviously have faith that there is no afterlife, because you have no proof. I obviously have faith that there is because I have no proof. The fact is that every human being has a beleif system, cenetered around a deity. Some put nature in that deity spot, saying natures laws are ultimate, un-bendable standards of everything. Some put man in that spot, saying that we can, through thought and education, make themselves perfect. No one escapes this world without a beleif system and a deity. You have just set yourself up as your own deity in your beleif system.
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2003-09-06, 01:07 AM | [Ignore Me] #38 | |||
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Just because the bible said so isnt good either. god didnt right the bible, humans did. You are obviously translating what little of the bible you have looked at too literally. The book of revolations is a scary one, but it all means something more powerful than i can understand therefor it is just scary to me. Btw: I am orthodox christian, catholics broke off from us around 1000 ad then everything just kept breaking off of the thing before it. now theres methodist and all kinds of things. EDIT: i have nothing against you kaikou, a lot of people believe what you do. and i think bob just hit a crapload of nails right on the head.
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2003-09-06, 01:11 AM | [Ignore Me] #39 | ||
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Oni, Terraforming will take a really long time. First you have to introduce greenhouse gasses to warm the planet, then put in plants to make oxygen, which is a long ass process, then there is the issue of getting people to pack up, leave their homes, and move millions of miles away onto an alien planet.
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2003-09-06, 01:12 AM | [Ignore Me] #40 | |||
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2003-09-06, 01:12 AM | [Ignore Me] #41 | |||
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2003-09-06, 01:14 AM | [Ignore Me] #42 | ||
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your post is too long I'm just continuing this because it's fun to read everyone's replies with the universal "god exists and if you don't believe so I feel sorry for you". I don't wanna read entire essays because I'm just having fun with this.
Sure some biblical events have some scientific backing, such as the flood, but did you know that around 80% of what is land now used to be covered with water back in primal days? Perhaps the "big flood" turned out to be a set of circumstances where the earth got warmer, some of the polar ice caps melted and raised the water level. There was no evidence that it rained for 40 days and 40 nights. Just evidence that water levels got higher for awhile. I was talking about the biblical events that have in fact been proven to be false. I'm not a bible beater so I don't know a lot of them, but Earth is a solid chunk of rock. Not a bunch of pillars holding up whatever it was they were holding up.. I'd go on but I think I've planted enough anti-religion posts for the pro-religion people to flame me and entertain me for a good while... Flame on! Tell me I'm lost! Tell me I'm going to hell! bwahaha it's all so entertaining!
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2003-09-06, 01:17 AM | [Ignore Me] #44 | ||
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There are a bunch of scientific facts about why the evolution theory is false. I've herd them over and over again and I know there is no evolution. I would tell you a really good explanition why it's false but I can't because I didn't remember all that stuff cause I understood what they meant but I'm only 12 so I can't give you a nice explanation like Bob or anyone.
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2003-09-06, 01:17 AM | [Ignore Me] #45 | |||
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