Revival of the TR?

[Veteran]

DPS is meaningless when considering the Phoenix. It's all in the meta-game.

And as for trolling, you might not want to throw stones if you're going to live under a glass bridge.

edit: I was blind drunk when I started this thread, so let's not get too heated.

[Firefly]

Originally Posted by scarpas

gauss is better

What crack are you smoking? No way in hell is the Gauss better than the Cycler.

[Liteshow]

I told myself to just lurk, never post...and now look what happens...I'm replying to a balance thread

DeadTeddy, glad I could post what you wanted to see

1) Phoenix you can be behind a rock, Striker you have to be able to see who you're attacking. One you are fodder for infiltrators, the other fodder for grunts, planes and vehicles.

2) Agreed. A lot of people have commented that you should use what you have in conjunction with what they were designed for.

3) When I use a Sparrow, I have no idea what's going on...just spam away

4) I saw 2 Threshers this last week. Who knows, maybe their making a comeback?

5) Refer to point 2.

6) "some thread that prove beyond any doubt that TR population is lower, at least not at prime time" Are you missing a word in there? Cause if not, that statement does help your cause

5% estimate. In terms of backing down in the face of the zerg, why give the enemy more XP and kills? If the VS don't back down their stupid.

This whole discussion has proved a few things:

A) Use your weapon like it was meant to be used
B) All AV sucks
C) All buggies suck
D) Everyone runs from the zerg

This leaves:

i) TR population is lower?
ii) Which sucks more, TR lockdown or NC shields?

Honest to God, I don't care how things go as long as my TR weapons don't get nerfed any more. Beyond a TR revival, I think those who are left just play a lot and are a little better than average through a distillation of all the noobs to other empires to play with their tanks/guns/MAXes. Maybe the TR who are left are just a little more fanatical?

BTW, Veteran, Loyalty until Death. I think we're gonna hafta kill you now, traitor.

[ZjinPS]

As noted earlier in the thread, the TR often fail to field enough armor to get the job done. I really don't know why this is. Despite what ever opinion you look at the Prowler is still a very efficient piece of equipment. But a single prowler will not turn the tide of anything larger than a squad.

I can't tell you how many times I've seen seemingly dozens of Vans or Magmowers coming out of vehicle terms while attacking a base. Now to make this soap box a little more wider, I'll admit that I personally rarely cert the Prowler. That being said, I am a devoted AMS driver. If you've been playing TR on Emerald for any length of time I'd wager you 've been pooped from one of my AMS.

Just one time, I'd like to see 20 Prowlers lined up launching a monsterous attack on some base. Too bad 20 prowlers would take 60 players, as compared to just 40 for the same number of Vans or Mags. Not to mention the fact that a one man Mag crew is still formidable as the driver has a weapon. A Prowler w/o someone sitting in the MG seat is a mere trophy for a Reaver or Skeet. Although my experience with a Mag is much more limited than the Prowler, I have had more success using the Mags turreted weapon against hostile air craft. Just the other night while gunning in a jacked Mag I was able to drop a Skeeter in just a few direct hits as it attempted to strafe us. It exploded so close the pilots corpse nearly fell on us.

I am wondering if the fact that it takes 3 players to fully man a Prowler is why it doesnt get on the battle field as often. Many times I've been forced to solo my own Prowler, after sitting in a courtyard hollering for a gunner I am forced to take it out alone and change seats and sit stationary and spam tower doors.

For the glory of the Republic!

[Firefly]

Come to one of our armor operations.

[BadAsh]

Originally Posted by DeadTeddy

that 10% number is obviously your estimate or something inaccurate cause you don't have access to the numbers

You are partially correct, that 10% was my conservative estimate based on a glance of the server stats about 5 weeks ago. Actually, these stats are freely available on �MyPlanetside�. A good website that compiles some of that data is: http://www.thottbot.com/planetside/ I think most would find that site to be an interesting read.

Basically Thott just totals the public statistics on SOE�s official site and breaks them down a bit for us. One important note: These stats ONLY track players that are in Outfits much like your stat signatures work, so all the players that are not in Outfits are not accounted for here. Ok, now for the totals (averaged across all 3 servers):

Average kills per player:

TR: 1327
NC: 1560
VS: 1322

This means the NC�

Average 17.558% more kills per player than the TR.

Average 18.003% more kills per player than the VS.

Populations:

TR: 8854
NC: 9436
VS: 8253

This means the NC�

Field an average of 6.167% more troops than the TR.

Field an average of 12.537% more troops than the VS.

Note the near perfect balance between TR and VS kills per player! Nice work SOE! We just need to get the NC in line and things will finally be even for everyone. As far as populations go, if all things were even I believe the populations would follow suit. Currently, I think many people just have the tendency to join the �winning� side. Also, you will always have a �hardcore� group of players in any game that analyze equipment strengths and weaknesses. They then make their empire decision based on that and proceed to own.

Gratuitous sarcasm time! (yes, this is intended to be amusing not inflammatory)

Until things actually get balanced I think a few equipment name changes are in order as well as an empire name/title change. To note the NC�s equipment superiority the Jack Hammer needs to be renamed to the �Skill Hammer�. The Phoenix needs to be renamed to the �Skilenix�. The Vanguard needs to be renamed to the �Skillguard�. Remember, it�s not equipment but MAD SKILLZ that separates the empires!

Also the NC should be henceforth known as the �Overwhelming Horde� for their numerical superiority or OH for short. Any OH below CR3 should have the title of �Hordling� and any OH at CR3 or higher should be titled the �Horde Whip Master�. I�d show these titles rather than player names and change all the voice chats to primal moans and grunts. In any horror movie that I�ve ever seen the overwhelming zombie horde behaved like this. So to keep step with tradition these changes are needed!

[DeadTeddy]

i)TR population is not lower, what I meant is Smoke, as in SmokeJumperPS, made 4-5 posts in a topic on the OF regarding TR population. he made it very clear that IN PRIMETIME on all servers the populations differ by no more then 50 ppl PER SERVER and it's not specific to any empire, it goes back and fourth. my personal guess is that the TR are busy hacking empty bases and destroying gens to be organized in zergs.
ii)both suck the same. NC shield is worthless if you're getting shot at by more then two ppl or by a deci user, you can't shoot back with it on, it turns off automatically and takes time to turn back on, you can't leave it on cause it gets weaker, and if you turn it on and try to run, it's usually too late anyway. it's good for buying those 150 extra hitpoints when going into a pounder camped staircase.
TR lock down is good for pounder spam, that's all. it's great at what it does, but that's all it does. in other words, both suck.

[Doppler]

Amusing not inflamatory, how droll. Has it occured to you that maybe the higher population comes from the superior ideology rather then the vastly superior gear you seem to imagine. I mean if you had the choice between fighting for the valiant freedom fighter/defender of the world, or the tyranical hordes who wear communist colors what whould you choose.

But we can change my sound scheme if you agree to finish every voice bind with DA COMMRADE.

[DeadTeddy]

to simplify things, here's what each empire sees itself and the other empires, and how I see them:

TR:
TR - the honorable empire that maintains peace
NC - Terrorists and traitors
VS - crazy techno freaks

NC:
TR - dictators
NC - freedom fighters
VS - crazy techno freaks

VS:
TR - technophobe dictators
NC - technophobes period
VS - only ones who truely understand. saviours of man kind.

me:
TR - dictators
NC - freedom fighters, that's why I chose them.
VS - like nazis but without the killing part so it's ok. I guess when you have genetic engineering you don't need "selective evolution"

[Zatrais]

I'm not responding to the weapons balance discussion here (because you TR folks may have a point on a couple things that we're looking into), but as for population numbers...please see my postings in this other thread.

Source

*shrug* Closest thing to a confession from a dev that you can get.

[Firefly]

Originally Posted by DeadTeddy

i)TR population is not lower, what I meant is Smoke, as in SmokeJumperPS, made 4-5 posts in a topic on the OF regarding TR population. he made it very clear that IN PRIMETIME on all servers the populations differ by no more then 50 ppl PER SERVER and it's not specific to any empire, it goes back and fourth. my personal guess is that the TR are busy hacking empty bases and destroying gens to be organized in zergs.

On WERNER. Not every PS player is on Werner.

[DeadTeddy]

read more, he checked the others too.

and yes, he said they are looking into, that means these threads can stop now cause if they're right it will get fixed, no need to spam and if they're wrong then they're spam anyway.

[BadAsh]

Originally Posted by Doppler

Amusing not inflamatory, how droll. Has it occured to you that maybe the higher population comes from the superior ideology rather then the vastly superior gear you seem to imagine. I mean if you had the choice between fighting for the valiant freedom fighter/defender of the world, or the tyranical hordes who wear communist colors what whould you choose.

Well you need not appreciate my sense of humor That's fine with me. Also the population discrepancies don't really bother me that much. The differance between TR and NC means that for every 20 troops the NC field the TR field 19. Not too shabby...

The problem is in the kill %. The NC are pushing the 20% range at effective killing power. That's just too much and very obvious. Also, keep in mind that I play NC too, see my stat sigs? So I'm not biased one way or another... I just want the challenge of an even playing field...

I say "Let the best player/squad/platoon win" but currently the PS situation is:

"Let the team with the most players and superior equipment win"

This is shown is the statistics and is not a figment of imagination. The only quasi-reasonable argument one can make that provides any explination is that on all 3 servers the NC just happen to be more organized and have better players.... riiiight!

SOE fix your game!

[Gigabein]

Originally Posted by DeadTeddy

VS:
TR - technophobe dictators
NC - technophobes period
VS - only ones who truely understand. saviours of man kind.

Sort of but it's more like this

VS:
TR - dictators trying to horde technology to maintain an edge
NC - slavering anarchist hicks (YeeHAAA! Lookit muh big ol' tank, pa!)
VS - advance mankinds' science base by lightyears thanks to the recovered Vanu technology. All the bull-cockey comparisons between VS and Nazi Germany need to stop. The analogy is downright broken.

[JuSTCHiLLiN]

I wish they would just make everything common pool so these threads stopped happening.