Life after BR20 - Spork speaks - Page 3

Kikinchikin · 2004-01-23, 12:49 PM

screw barrel rolls, i want to be able to do a flip like in starfox!

Firefly · 2004-01-23, 02:03 PM

You mean an Immelman?

Angel_of_Death · 2004-01-23, 02:10 PM

I agree with everyone who said that BR 20+ would make everyone a super soldier and take away all the unique differences that make a character different from everyone else. Over BR 20 would be nice but I think it's fine the way it is now.

infinite loop · 2004-01-23, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Angel_of_Death

I agree with everyone who said that BR 20+ would make everyone a super soldier and take away all the unique differences that make a character different from everyone else. Over BR 20 would be nice but I think it's fine the way it is now.

Let us know if you still feel that way when you get to br20

Firefly · 2004-01-23, 02:32 PM

I'm sorry, I don't buy it.

First, if you do the math, there's no way you can have every cert beyond BR20 unless you're way out there.

Second, any expansion pack that comes out will more than likely add MORE certifications to the already-large list.

Third, every game that deals in "levels" invariably has increases as the game gets bigger and better.

Fourth, people who attain BR20/CR5 get bored and start a new character when they get bored, or they switch empires and start over, or they move on. Some people who are at BR20/CR5 desire to stay in their outfit because of the friendships they've built, the excellent gaming experience they gain every time they play. Why should you hamper their fun by saying "OMFG NO F-ING WAYZ0RZ"?

It's ignorant to say BR20 is the ultimate, and anything higher will make god-like uber-leet super soldiers. It's inconceivable that any intelligent person would limit themselves that way, or think that an increase would simply mean "more cert points to gain". It's also inconceivable to think an idea of this magnitude would NOT be "felt-out" on the In-Concept forum, where everyone can provide imput.

DeadTeddy · 2004-01-23, 03:32 PM

you don't get it, there's gotta be a limit. if people get to BR30 they'll get bored again, that's not the solution.

these things might actually help. I also think a nice addition would be medals once you reach a certain number of XP that don't do much except for putting you on a nice list.

infinite loop · 2004-01-23, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by DeadTeddy

you don't get it, there's gotta be a limit. if people get to BR30 they'll get bored again, that's not the solution.

these things might actually help. I also think a nice addition would be medals once you reach a certain number of XP that don't do much except for putting you on a nice list.

I still haven't heard a compelling argument as to why there has to be a limit. I just don't see a problem with it. Give me br58!

DeadTeddy · 2004-01-23, 03:56 PM

you have BR58, every cert out there. you can hack anything you want, get any piece of equipment you want anytime anywhere. you don't need an adv. medical terminal, you can repair anything, set up defensive CE deployables, take out any car you need, things like that. basiclly, in any given situation you can bring in the best weapon for the job.
a BR3 has one cert, a unimax, he'll be pwned way too much. even a BR20 won't be able to keep up. that's the problem.

and the reason BR's are there in the first place is to create different roles in the game. that way you have a platoon with 3 medics, 6 drivers who usually have engi, 3 adv hackers, 3 pilots, 5 max units and 10 infantry. creates the need for teamwork, makes the game more chalenging.

Queensidecastle · 2004-01-23, 04:05 PM

the reason BR's are there in the first place is to create different roles in the game. that way you have a platoon with 3 medics, 6 drivers who usually have engi, 3 adv hackers, 3 pilots, 5 max units and 10 infantry. creates the need for teamwork, makes the game more chalenging.

Led · 2004-01-23, 04:06 PM

More certs would just be silly. I already AM a supersoldier. I am certified in every single infantry weapon short of a bolt driver. I also have my lil basilisk to carry my heavily armored butt around ^.^

I already think people have way too many certs, and can do way too many things.

WritheNC · 2004-01-23, 07:17 PM

Don't need anything after BR20/CR5.

I've been an FPS freak for a few years. I don't think I got anything special for playing Counter-Strike for 2 years. You know, like a discount on weapons or something.

Yes yes I know. Different game. Oh well.

noxious · 2004-01-23, 08:13 PM

Why not make these elite abilities cost cert points? Then BR20's have access to all the same abilities as lower ranks, and in addition, the addition of maximum cert points is balanced by the new certs avaliable.

Lise · 2004-01-24, 04:40 AM

I'm with Led, I can already own pretty much anything I come across short of a Vanguard/Magrider (and even then that's only because of the AV nerf way back when). Once the Rexo buff goes through I'll be hell on wheels.

I'm all for "Alternate Elite Advancement" though. Yet another good reason for me to come back to PS.

sPooT · 2004-01-24, 09:01 AM

I would be for elite certs which one can only get past BR20, I'm ok with that. As long as they don't make them like superversions of already existing certs, like the infil suit with extra REK slot someone mentioned. That would suck so bad for new people, having to play months to get to BR20 and finally able to do the exact same thing as everyone.

Also, I would be against ANY direct battle advantage because of you being BR20, as mentioned before, BR20 already have a big advantage as it is. That includes the barrel roll, man it would suck to spend 4 points on Air Cavarly as a newbie and then keep getting owned by some guy just because he has too much spare time on his hands

Please don't forget this is a shooter, not a RPG. The second they introduce a real threadmill, people are gonna quit. Well the ones not BR20 at least.

Oh and I can't believe people seriously think giving us more cert points doesn't matter. I mean, grunts are just short of having about every support(medic, engy, hacking) cert available to them. If you raise the cert limit by 3 for example, you can count on it that pretty much every grunt character is gonna get one more support cert. For pilots the situation is completely different, since you CAN have about every vehicle in the game and still have a decent character.

Kikinchikin · 2004-01-24, 11:38 AM

I agree with infinite loop on this one.

Teddy if someone works to get to br 58 (which if the xp treadmill kept increasing, it would take 4 ever) why shouldn't they get all the certs? They worked hard for it put in more hours, why shouldn't they receive the reward.

But my main arguement was stated earlier in the thread. Just because I have every possible cert, doesn't mean i can use them all. Fact is, if i come out of a tower in my reinforced armor toting a chaingun and a deci, i have a good chance at owning anything short of armored vehicles and aircraft. Ok so those are my two weaknesses. Let's say i fight over to the base and grab a reaver. Now AA maxes become my weakness, as do skeeters. I crash land and get my burster max. Now troopers are my weakness as our other max units.

You see where I'm going here? No matter how many different certs you get (even if you get them all) you're still never going to be able to always have the upper hand in every situation. That's why there are counters. This game is like rock paper scissors, there is ALWAYS a counter to whatever you are in. It may not be present in small battles, but any semi large battle is bound to have at least a few of the counter.

Give us guys that played this game hard some more room to breathe. I know its not an xp mongering game like an RPG, but I would like to see some room for expansion as it would at least give me a goal again.