Question about Americans (NO FLAMING or else!)

[BLuE_ZeRO]

Originally posted by Civilian
What do you mean we "know" he has terroist ties and nuclear weapons. You "know" it because your government tells, you believe it without any proof to back it up. That makes absolutely no sense.

No, you would want to know how he knows. Just "knowing" isn't an acceptable answer.

The government does tell us information but you're making it sound like everything they're saying is a lie. There is substantial proof to backup our reasons to go to war but for some reason people still want to deny the facts. They demand report after report after report and then when they finally get a report they sit on their asses and wait to decide on action. Sorry but the longer we wait the less chance there is of succeeding in our mission. You think Saddam doesn't know what we're planning on doing? The more we wait the more time he has to prepare and it's that cowardly mentality that you have shining through that gets more people killed. The more we wait the greater the chance that an increased number of people die. I don't think anyone would put detonating a nuke in the middle of say NYC by Saddam. I'm sure he would figure out a way to do it.

In this case Civilian knowing is an acceptable answer. You seem to think that Saddam is just going to sit on his thumb and wait for us to act. We've let this drag on long enough and Saddam is probably more than prepared.

It's almost like you think like we're dealing with a normal person. Saddam is a monster and anyone in their right mind KNOWS that.

[Hamma]

sigh..

[Navaron]

America is the lone superpower. We're the only one who's stood the test of time. We go out of our way to help every other country in the world, including Iraq, and we get bashed by everyone of them. It feels like to me, giving presents to step children who hate you.

We always are subject to the demand of the UN and little countries throught out the world - Kyoto treaty anyone? They all hate us and are jealous of us, and time and time again we save their asses. We're always there for them, but where are they when we need them? Dancing in the streets on September 11th. That's proof we are a just country. I know alot of other countries that would have not been nearly as tolerant.

It is good for the rest of the world we are so benevolent. I personally think we should abstain from the UN, and take our buildings back and let them try it themselves. Name one thing the UN has ever done to help the US? Where would they be without us? They wouldn't be able to ostricize us as well, because they wouldn't be able to afford the microphones.

We have allies that we do love and care passionately about, UK, Israel, Austrailia, and sometimes Canada. Almost all American's would fly to the aid of our fellow named allies. You know why, because, even though they don't have much to offer us, they still offer, and that means the world to us.

That is the opinion of one American.

[Bighoss]

Israel is like 50% of the reason we need to deal with this crap. Why are we allies with them ??? there irrelevant and honestly there ties to that land is so messed up. Honestly if I said god told me last night the he promised New York to me and I wrote a book about it I would go to a looney BIN ! Why do we give them money? we don't get anything in return and what I think is retarded is that we can give Israel a few billion dollars when we could use it really badly in America. Israel is the POODLE OF POODLE countries. They could never get along without us so we help them and now I get to worry about getting nuked in my own god damn home by somone we can't nuke back
This is not antisemitism I am allowed to voice my opionion about this country. Not once did I use the word *** except right here

heres a song that can sum up Americas problems:

No one likes us
I don't know why.
We may not be perfect
But heaven knows we try.
But all around even our old friends put us down.
Let's drop the big one and see what happens.

We give them money
But are they grateful?
No they're spiteful
And they're hateful.
They don't respect us so let's surprise them;
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them.

Now Asia's crowded
And Europe's too old.
Africa's far too hot,
And Canada's too cold.
And South America stole our name.
Let's drop the big one; there'll be no one left to blame us.

We'll save Australia;
Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo.
We'll build an all-American amusement park there;
They've got surfing, too.

Well, boom goes London,
And Paris.
More room for you
And more room for me.
And every city the whole wide world
Will just be another American town.
Oh, how peaceful it'll be;
We'll set everybody free;
You'll have Japanese kimonos, baby,
There'll be Italian shoes for me.
They all hate us anyhow,
So let's drop the big one now.
Let's drop the big one now.

[Sputty]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
America is the lone superpower. We're the only one who's stood the test of time.
We have allies that we do love and care passionately about, UK, Israel, Austrailia, and sometimes Canada. Almost all American's would fly to the aid of our fellow named allies. You know why, because, even though they don't have much to offer us, they still offer, and that means the world to us.

That is the opinion of one American.

Nice of you to be so compassionate toward your friends Nav but I think U.S. still has a little bit to go before they've stood the test of time. Unless you mean a couple hundred years then you're right. Can't wait until...(insert country here) is the next superpower. Why can't I wait? I'm inpatient!

[Navaron]

"but I think U.S. still has a little bit to go before they've stood the test of time."

What I meant was that we are the lone superpower, the rest crumbled under the cold war.

"Israel is like 50% of the reason we need to deal with this crap. Why are we allies with them ??? there irrelevant and honestly there ties to that land is such bullshit"

Ignorance is bliss huh? Israel took over the whole damn mideast all the way to Egypt and then gave it back. I think kickin someone's ass and taking it is a pretty good claim, they should have kept it imo. We sure wouldn't have as many problems if they weren't so nice.

[Sputty]

Ok, Nav I stand corrected. Also, Canada feels the same ay, except some of your politicians piss me off. Who's the Nazi? I forget his name. He called Canada "a bunch of freeloaders". He's a super-nazi BTW, in a bad way. Not the friendly Mod Nazis we all love

[Mazelmavin]

I know several people that are convinced that the goverment (Bush) is lying about everything so that we can attack Iraq. Some of these poeple even believe Bush ordered the attack on the WTC!! Now I don't %100 trust the USA goverment. They have done should shady things in the past, but COME ON!!!

We have reports prooving that Iraq had weapons in the past. They did not show them or provide evidence of removal. As Bush said, when the inspectors come into your country you lay out your weapons for all to see, then destroy them. This did not happen. I could go on, but I will just be repeating the President.

And this thing about war as a last resort, not until all other options are exhausted. WHEN IS THIS GOING TO HAPPEN!! No matter what we do, no matter how nice we play, no matter how many diplomatic angles why try, there will always be some other option. Our options will never be exhausted. At some point we (as in the world) must say, "enough fucking around" and do SOMETHING. The longer we "exhaust options" the longer the collective madmen around the world have to prepare. And they are not just preparing to defend. The reports show proof of Iraq trying to get materials for a nuclear bomb WHILE BEING INSPECTED.

Go ahead and question the reports. Go ahead and insist that the government is lying to you. I am sure when we do nothing because of your kind and get nuked, you will blame the government for not protecting you.

[Sputty]

Ehhhhhh....Wha?.....That was sort of sudden....Calm down a little. No one was saying the WTC were planned by Bush..

[Navaron]

You know, regardless of torture, possible terrorists or humand rights violations, there was someone who should have done something 11 years ago. The UN. He has had them by the nuts for 12 years now, and the US is finally doing it themselves. If the UN wants to tag along, thats fine and dandy, but someone in the world has to risk their lives to ensure stability, and it seems that us and our Allies are those people. I guess cowardice *is* genetic.

[�io]

Originally posted by Hamma
sigh..

Sorry Hamma man, i didn't want this to be another political debate about Iraq but i guess the people like to talk about it.

Anyhoo i'm kinda disapointed in my little experiemtn, i'm glad to see "Yes we are part of this world just like anybody, we shouldn't have any special previleges." is in the lead, but "This world is basically ours, we are the biggest we should do whatever we want." is right behind it.


And i'd like to state again this thread is NOT about insulting the US and/or Canada.

[Bighoss]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
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"Israel is like 50% of the reason we need to deal with this crap. Why are we allies with them ??? there irrelevant and honestly there ties to that land is such bullshit"

Ignorance is bliss huh? Israel took over the whole damn mideast all the way to Egypt and then gave it back. I think kickin someone's ass and taking it is a pretty good claim, they should have kept it imo. We sure wouldn't have as many problems if they weren't so nice.

except they didn't do it on their own retard. They have all US military stuff because we give it to them. That country would be destroyed if it wern't for the money they recieve. Israel took over the Sinai which is not very important it is not very important thats why when they made peace with the Egyptians because they could get peace without giving up much.Israel has no modern ties to that land. They left it dormant for nearly 2000 years after the diaspora when the romans got pissed and conquered them. Now they say its theirs again. What a load of shit. Don't tell me I'm wrong either I wrote a huge report and this thing and got a 98 BITCH

[FuLLxCLiP]

i really dont kno what youre talking about from my observations europeans NO OFFENCE seem to think higher of themselves

i dont really see anybody higher than anybody else

[Bighoss]

would you be happier to see a hobo in the street asking for money or Tom Cruise?

[Navaron]

Hoss, don't start with me, you'll end up like the rest. Keep your silly second grade profanities to yourself. You have obviously very little comprehension of the subject, and your teacher must have less.

a) "They have all US military stuff because we give it to them"

WRONG - THEY BUY IT FROM US

b) "That country would be such a shit hole even if it existed still without our money."

Wrong - the fact that they one their independance with almost no US support must not reign in on your little fantasy history.

c) "Israel took over the Sinai which is not very important it is not very important thats why when they made peace with the Egyptians because they could get peace without giving up much."

Wrong yet again - The Sinai pennensula is the most important strip of land out there, for religious and historical reasons. They made peace with the Egyptian because Russia and the Cold Bloc were about to get involved which means the US would have also, and that would have started WW3. They got attacked, kicked ass, and quit while they were ahead.

d) "I hope Israel gets theres."

Maybe your teacher's an anti Semite too.

e) "Israel has no modern ties to that land"

WRONG - they have as many rights to that land as the US does to Texas. Unfortunately for you, the entire world, including the UN and US disagree with you.


f) " Don't tell me I'm wrong either I wrote a huge report and this thing and got a 98 BITCH"

- the joys of public school. Did you take fuzzy math with Al Gore, because you've mastered fuzzy history. Bitch.