[Guns] Smith & Wesson .500 Magnum Revolver

[Squeeky]

I just found out, they plan on selling this puppy with a 4" barrel (half the size of the original) so it will be more conceilable. I can only imagine the recoil then!

[ControlledBurn]

Originally Posted by DeadTeddy

I'm going for the F-16I but it's very hard. most soldiers get the m16. artillery and armor get the galil because you can throw run it over with a tank and it will still work, and they need to throw it in the tank before they jump in. an m16 will break after 2 throws. even pilots get the m16 usually. the m4 is mostly for special units cause we got the m16 for $1 a piece fromt he US, and the m4 costs allot more.

By F-16I, do you mean the Viper? That's the only F-16I I've ever heard of.

As for Pilots getting M16s, they are issued them, but they obviously don't carry it while in the cockpit. Regarding M4s, the US Army has plans to make the tranisition to every soldier carrying an M4 rather than the M16. That might be why you Israeli's are getting M16s for so cheap. Haven't heard of M16s breaking after a couple tosses but it's certainly possible I suppose, I've seen some of the shite they get put through and they're tough suckers imo.

[AztecWarrior]

I've read that the NATO 5.56 round, through the 14.5" barrel of the M4, will NOT take a man down with two hits to the chest.

This is why I prefer the new 6.Xmm cartridges coming out, but it looks like 6.8 SPR is winning.

[ControlledBurn]

Originally Posted by AztecWarrior

I've read that the NATO 5.56 round, through the 14.5" barrel of the M4, will NOT take a man down with two hits to the chest.

This is why I prefer the new 6.Xmm cartridges coming out, but it looks like 6.8 SPR is winning.

Barrel length should have no effect on the lethality of a round. I'd like to see some data/sources to back that idea up.

[AztecWarrior]

Originally Posted by ControlledBurn

Barrel length should have no effect on the lethality of a round. I'd like to see some data/sources to back that idea up.

I read it in Guns and Weapons for Law Enforcement (http://www.guns-weapons.com/), the Marines said so.

[martyr]

lethality of any round depends exclusively upon placement of point of impact.

[AztecWarrior]

Originally Posted by martyr

lethality of any round depends exclusively upon placement of point of impact.

Explain this to a Marine dodging AK-47 fire in the streets of Fallujah. It's one thing to shoot 2 MOA at a paper target, it's another to do it in the field.

[JetRaiden]

my cousin is fighting the war in Fallujah right now as a matter of fact...

[ControlledBurn]

Originally Posted by AztecWarrior

Explain this to a Marine dodging AK-47 fire in the streets of Fallujah. It's one thing to shoot 2 MOA at a paper target, it's another to do it in the field.

I'll be sure tell my brother that when I talk to him tonight or tomorrow.

[l3lizz4rd]

Originally Posted by AztecWarrior

I've read that the NATO 5.56 round, through the 14.5" barrel of the M4, will NOT take a man down with two hits to the chest.

This is why I prefer the new 6.Xmm cartridges coming out, but it looks like 6.8 SPR is winning.

You need to read that article again.

1. The lethality has nothing to do with the round, it has to do with the speed at which it is fired from the weapon, and how quickly it loses its kinetic energy. That is why G&W:LE specified that with the M16A2 the enhanced wound effect threshold occurs at 200m, and that with the M4 it is decreased to 100m. The reason they're looking for a different round is because they feel that they need enhanced lethality +100m if they're going to switch over to the M4 for your basic rifleman. So if you read between the lines the only problem with the 5.56(.223) is that it lacks lethality at range. So in short, it damn well will take a man down. It's just not as certain past a specific distance.
2. How can you prefer the new 6.Xmm cartridge? You've never shot it. Neither have I. What kind of paper are you shooting that requires "Increased lethality at range"?
3. It's the 6.8x43mm SPC.
4. Formulate your own opinion. Don't just hop on the bandwagon because a shiny magazine says so. Speaking of magazines, the M468's magazine only carries 25 rounds as opposed to the normal 30 with the 5.56. Wonder what that'll do for lethality while Joe Generic Marine "running through the streets dodgin AK fire"?

If I'm coming off hostile, it's cause I am. It just urks me when people post things that they've read but don't really understand.

[Heavygain]

Well, i know virtually nothing about bullets, but i know damn well how to hit a squrrel with a rifle.

[JetRaiden]

[Dharkbayne]

I'm not a gun expert or anything , but I think that barrel length only alters noise/flash and accuracy in some way?

[AztecWarrior]

Originally Posted by l3lizz4rd

You need to read that article again.

1. The lethality has nothing to do with the round, it has to do with the speed at which it is fired from the weapon, and how quickly it loses its kinetic energy. That is why G&W:LE specified that with the M16A2 the enhanced wound effect threshold occurs at 200m, and that with the M4 it is decreased to 100m. The reason they're looking for a different round is because they feel that they need enhanced lethality +100m if they're going to switch over to the M4 for your basic rifleman. So if you read between the lines the only problem with the 5.56(.223) is that it lacks lethality at range. So in short, it damn well will take a man down. It's just not as certain past a specific distance.
2. How can you prefer the new 6.Xmm cartridge? You've never shot it. Neither have I. What kind of paper are you shooting that requires "Increased lethality at range"?
3. It's the 6.8x43mm SPC.
4. Formulate your own opinion. Don't just hop on the bandwagon because a shiny magazine says so. Speaking of magazines, the M468's magazine only carries 25 rounds as opposed to the normal 30 with the 5.56. Wonder what that'll do for lethality while Joe Generic Marine "running through the streets dodgin AK fire"?

If I'm coming off hostile, it's cause I am. It just urks me when people post things that they've read but don't really understand.

1. Not all combat is restricted to sub-100 meter ranges. What worked in Vietnam's junges may also work in Iraq's urban warfare, but neither of those may work in Central Europe. Not every conflict will be won in dry urban areasI wonder why we're going for a general issue of the M4, given the reports of it. Besides, the AR-15 series is getting old, H&K's XM8 looks nice.

Yes, I understand that in theory, the cartridge compensates for less mass via increased velocity, as physics taught us when force equals mass times speed. However, if it doesn't take a man down in two shots with an M4, and we're going for a general issue of the M4, we'd better use a 6.X.

2. I really want to shoot one, does that count? I can just hope our trials work out. But does this mean nobody has the right to talk about it? I don't get the second part of your point here.

3. There are dozens of 6.X cartridges and I'm tired, cut me some slack. It's just a letter.

4. Other countries worked fine with the FN-FAL which carried 20 cartridges. 5 bullets is not a massive issue, and if it is found to be, extending it won't be a big problem. Hell, we maintained a 20-round size when changing from the M14 to M16.

Just because I agree with a publication does not mean that I'm a mindless drone of GWLE.

[UncleDynamite]

Those are some pretty kickass pistols, but I'm a fan of the Wildey pistol:



Comes in .44 Automag, .45 Wildey, .45 Winchester, and .475 Wildey Special. My grandpappy used to own one for hunting.