The NCO and the Officer... - Page 3

Cauldron Borne · 2004-07-02, 03:03 AM

YAY FIrefly is smaat!

Lonehunter · 2004-07-02, 05:50 AM

Yes I am Cifer, maybe I should re-register with the Cifer tag, or just make a Sig claiming to be Cifer, but I stopped fooling around with signatures, so screw that.

Edit: I was only a temporary commander, until Liquid got back

Firefly · 2004-07-02, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Lonehunter187

Yes I am Cifer, maybe I should re-register with the Cifer tag, or just make a Sig claiming to be Cifer, but I stopped fooling around with signatures, so screw that.

Edit: I was only a temporary commander, until Liquid got back

Or you could have Hamma change your account name.

Electrofreak · 2004-07-03, 05:51 AM

::Rubs his bleeding eyes::

Toimu · 2004-07-06, 07:48 PM

I work in the TOC, 1 CPT, 2 LTs, 3 SGTs, and 3 Soldiers... The CPT finds the time to micro manage the Soldiers work... Our NCOs and even our LTs try and stop him... but he out ranks them all. 1 more week and he gets moved to another Co! But I still want to gouge his eyes out with a blunt object sometimes...

JetRaiden · 2004-07-06, 08:06 PM

technically, an NCO is an officer.

Toimu · 2004-07-06, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by JetRaiden

technically, an NCO is an officer.

Technically, a NCO is a Non Commission Officer. :P

Firefly · 2004-07-07, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by JetRaiden

technically, an NCO is an officer.

Uh no. An NCO is an agent of the officer. I think that's the actual definition of breakdown from some obscure Army FM.

TOC work = teh suck. What unit?

Ducimus · 2004-07-07, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by TheN00b

Mebbe. I view it more as:

Officer: Decides plan of action
NCO: Gets all of Officer's grunts to follow the plan of action.

By the book, ya.

In reality, it's often exactly how i said. Officer is responsible for having something done, NCO is responsible for doing it.

Delegation, where responsiblity falls in the chain of command, and having to improvise, or having someone up the chain who has their head up their ass, is an intresting thing.

Ducimus · 2004-07-07, 03:40 PM

Since folks here seem so well versed in basic PME, riddle me this:

What is the difference between an O-3, and a Captain?

I'll be surpsied if anyone here gives me the answer i'm looking for.

TheN00b · 2004-07-07, 04:23 PM

Hell, I don't know. As far as I know, Firefly's the only one here who's actually in/been in the military, so he can probably tell you, but I'm just some kid from Hippyville USA, where squirtguns are banned by my neighborhood.

Cauldron Borne · 2004-07-07, 05:16 PM

O-3 is the overall rank (i.e. all the branches recognize O-3 as the third rank of officer). A Captain is what the Army, Marines, and Airforce call an O-3. The Navy calls O-3's Leutenants (sp?), Leutenants, Ensigns(O-1, O-2), and Colonels, Captains (O-5). That's why the Grade system was created, because the Navy likes to be different, or the land armies do, depending on whether your looking at history or common sence

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I'm not in the military. You don't have to be in the military to know what's going on out there...

Ducimus · 2004-07-07, 07:59 PM

No, thats not that answer i was looking for.

Since people were talking about the relationship between an NCO and an officer, i thought i would point this "other" relationship out as well.

There is a difference between an O-3 and a captain. yes, one is grade, and the other is rank, but there is a difference. The difference between an o-3 and a captain, is the same difference found in any person in a leadership position.

Here's the difference:

People listen to an O-3 because they HAVE to.
People listen to the Captain because they WANT to.

Think about that for a bit...

Toimu · 2004-07-07, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by Firefly

Uh no. An NCO is an agent of the officer. I think that's the actual definition of breakdown from some obscure Army FM.

TOC work = teh suck. What unit?

I don't feel like looking it up, even though AKO is at my finger tips.

4th Squad HHD 201st 3rd Brigade 1st ID United States of Americas' Army Planet Earth Milky Way Galaxy... I forgot the rest.

I've been working 2100-0500 with only 1 NCO that's really cool for the past 3 weeks. I get to go to the gym for an hour, we watch movies on a 40" flat screen (it's for traking convoys... during the day

), and we have AFN. So I give it about a month before they switch my shift to some crappy 12-16 hours (always 7 days a week) in the middle of the heat! It's only 80F at night here.

Firefly · 2004-07-08, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Ducimus

What is the difference between an O-3, and a Captain?

O3 is some asshole that people listen to because they have to (if they're O2/O1, warrant or enlisted)... a captain is someone they listen to because he/she fuckin ROCKS.

The same with the difference in a Sergeant and an E5. An E5 is some fartknocking windbag who got the position by mesmerizing crap in a green book and reciting pretty poetry to the board. A sergeant EARNED those stripes.

Originally Posted by Toimu

4th Squad HHD 201st 3rd Brigade 1st ID United States of Americas' Army Planet Earth Milky Way Galaxy... I forgot the rest.

I hate TOCs. Brigade TOCs for maneuver units are generally targets for artillery. I felt sorry for our MI cell that had to colocate with them, until I realized they deserved it for being control-freaks in areas they had no knowledge of (like usage of MI collection assets). Whenever we had some dumbass LT that tried to make our Ops center colocate there as well, we had to explain how it "really" worked. That's where we find out if he's an O1 or a Lieutenant...

EDIT:
crap, just saw Ducimus'ss'e'es's answer, nevermind.