Sparrow Nerfed? - Page 3

Doppler · 2004-08-10, 07:19 PM

So what your saying is infantry should have to use combined arms, but aircraft which already operate just about completely autonomous (mid air repair reload anyone at any tower, fastest movement rate, ability to ignore terrain, yea these guys are real combined arms masterpeices. The point cauldron is usualy those who are gettign taken to town by liberat0ors dont ahve the option of libs, their sieged in cant get their own aircraft off the ground and are basicly reduced to just trying to dodge the bombs.

Originally Posted by Cauldron Borne

God forbid we should have to use COMBINED arms in this game....oh the horror that we can no longer use our three piece combo of: AA max, Tank, and HA.... now we actually have to USE those reavers/mossies for something other than spam killing infantry..... the horror!
/end sarcasm...

Doppler · 2004-08-10, 07:21 PM

I dare you to bring your mossy at the lib i'm gunning or piloting for you might eventualy get us down, after disengaging and flying off to repair about 8 times.

Lartnev · 2004-08-10, 07:25 PM

Would someone please remember that the reason the skyguard was introduced to the game was to counter the liberator, you all seem to be forgetting about it.

Sentrosi · 2004-08-10, 07:28 PM

Funny how the NC and Vanu are now complaining vehimently about our AA Max.

STFU. Learn to deal with the fact that your reaver and liberator pilots now have to learn the skills that the TR have had to learn since release.

Someone needs to lock any thread that has the word nerf in it. Take it to the OF. Not to my forums here.

Doppler · 2004-08-10, 07:54 PM

Sentrosi i dont see anyone complaining about the TR max, i see a lot of people, myself included, complaining that changing the NC and VS Max's further imbalances airpower because the lib is not the only aircraft that can take advantage of flight ceiling. But somehow you guys keep talking about "i hat epeople talking about nerfing the TR max" when no one is discussing that. What were are disturbing is the further hemroging of any point to playing ground troops other then the 2 mins required to go into a base and hack it and blow the tubes.

Lartnev · 2004-08-10, 09:28 PM

I think their point with the TR Burster is the TR burster has always had problems hitting aircraft at that height, and now the Starfire and Sparrow have been put in the same boat.

Don't shoot the messenger

JetRaiden · 2004-08-10, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Lartnev

I think their point with the TR Burster is the TR burster has always had problems hitting aircraft at that height, and now the Starfire and Sparrow have been put in the same boat.

Don't shoot the messenger

yea thats true. but I saw a thread on teh OF about putting some AA stuff on the back of a gal (jumping down from the catwalks) putting gunnners in it and then elevating to near max. altitude. BAM aerial AA platform. Id like to see how effective that is.

KIAsan · 2004-08-10, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Doppler

i see a lot of people, myself included, complaining that changing the NC and VS Max's further imbalances airpower because the lib is not the only aircraft that can take advantage of flight ceiling.

Well, think about this a minute or two. If reducing NC and VS ability to hit max altitude aircraft imbalances airpower, what exactly was balanced by TR never being able to hit max altitude aircraft? This is what many TR find so aggravating. It was ok for TR to live with imbalanced airpower, but the second that is changed to all empires, then we get folks who are all upset? WHERE was your outrage before this change over TR's living with imbalanced airpower?

ORANGE · 2004-08-10, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by KIAsan

Well, think about this a minute or two. If reducing NC and VS ability to hit max altitude aircraft imbalances airpower, what exactly was balanced by TR never being able to hit max altitude aircraft? This is what many TR find so aggravating. It was ok for TR to live with imbalanced airpower, but the second that is changed to all empires, then we get folks who are all upset? WHERE was your outrage before this change over TR's living with imbalanced airpower?

/me hugs KIAsan

Doppler · 2004-08-10, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by KIAsan

Well, think about this a minute or two. If reducing NC and VS ability to hit max altitude aircraft imbalances airpower, what exactly was balanced by TR never being able to hit max altitude aircraft? This is what many TR find so aggravating. It was ok for TR to live with imbalanced airpower, but the second that is changed to all empires, then we get folks who are all upset? WHERE was your outrage before this change over TR's living with imbalanced airpower?

I feel like i keep restating myself, and its a complete waste of time. I'm not saying that the TR never had an issue with their AA max, i'm saying that nerfing all the maxs down to where they are now when they are ANTI AIR maxs is stupid. If the TR want a better max they need to take that up with the developers, and i whould totaly support them getting a better AA max. However i cant support this attitude of "Well now your not as uber as us blah" because i feel more kinship with my fellow AA max users then i do with my empires pilots. Basicly you need to sit back, take a deep breath and stop going by "well finnaly we got one up on you" and looking at what the overall problems are that need fix. Because at the end of the day, were not NC or TR or VS were all planetside players, and the empires need to be balanced, but in this case taking capabilities from an empire is not the answer.

Edited for clairity.

Firefly · 2004-08-10, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by Doppler

Firefly, meet logic, logic meet firefly.

Doppler, meet sarcasm, sarcasm meet doppler.

I know where you're coming from - I'm not saying you're against anything. I see your point and I was agreeing with you.

Have a nice day.

Doppler · 2004-08-10, 11:19 PM

Then i apologize.

Cauldron Borne · 2004-08-10, 11:24 PM

The only time i go away from a fight in my mosquito is to reload. Tanks do it to. So do all the other vehicles that live long enough to do so. I rarely use airtowers because they are a favorite place for AA maxes to camp.

I will down your lib in one pass. My mossy can fly circles around your liberator, i don't care HOW good a pilot you are. I FREQUENTLY barge into base seiges where Libs are pounding the base and hammer them. It works both ways, you know. Those attacking AA maxes can't reach you either. and if you complain of beinf 'trapped' inside a base, you have two options:

knuckle down and defend the interior

OR

Do as all good pilots do and bind at a different base so that you can bring your planes in from a different direction. a more UNEXPECTED direction.

no, planes are not single vehicle masters of this game. You cannot take ground with planes. you need tanks and infantry for that. No matter how that reaver 'owns; you outside, he cannot cap that base or tower from the cocpit. So they have more positions to reload from....so take them away from them. So camp them with your 'crippled' aa maxes.

Oh yeah: planes DO have to pay attention to detail, if they want to live long enough to get to the fight. you fly high, yer aa food. you fly low, yer tree bait.

Firefly · 2004-08-10, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Doppler

Then i apologize.

I stab your apology and then flame it some more.

Flame flame flame! FIRE!! Ffffff-FIRE!

KIAsan · 2004-08-11, 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by Doppler

If the TR want a better max they need to take that up with the developers, and i whould totaly support them getting a better AA max.

That's a fair thing to say. Agree 100%. HOWEVER, where the heck were all of you buff the burster fans, when we were continually assaulting the devs to fix the Lib at ceiling problem. Search back over these and the official forums and you will see similar threads dating back to the introduction of the LIB. I don't recall hardly any NC or VS support of our complaints to the devs. In fact, I saw many posts along the lines of "learn how to use it". Well, we have learned how to use it, and complained about getting ours fixed. The devs, as usual, choose the more conterversial approach. This is not the fault of TR. And folks like me find it extremely humorous that the firestorm from NC and VS comes only AFTER they are affected too.

Well, things are set now, so complaining isn't going to bring back the salad days of NC/VS air superiority. Now, you need to do like TR has done, and learn how to dumb fire your AA maxes (don't forget to lead).

BTW, I am going to be a bit psychic here and predict the coming "Nerf the Burster" approach that will soon be hitting the forums, once they figure out that TR can still kill libs at ceiling. Yeah, that's right, while we were being told to "learn how to use it", we went out and did it. I have a burster cert, and can kill stationary libs at ceiling with ease. Because of this, TR now have the ability of hovering over bases and carpet bombing, while NC and VS do not (at least until you "learn how to use your maxes").

BTW, this is not directed at you personally Doppler, just at this attitude now that NC/VS have been nerfed. I for one do agree, they should have buffed the burster to do the same job as the VS and NC, not the other way around.