News: Fan Faire Q&A Part 2 - Page 3

Bags · 2011-07-08, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by BorisBlade

3rd person in vehicles is a must, thats a given. And the removal of it from infantry is awesome. It promoted too many lame tactics.

"it countered my playstyle of blindly running around corners and not using my radar thus it's lame"

morf · 2011-07-08, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by stargazer093

hmm...so with HART and Sanctuary gone, how will new players get instructions and trainings about how to play?

Point at purple guy. Pull trigger.

Good luck soldier.

Sifer2 · 2011-07-08, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by BorisBlade

3rd person in vehicles is a must, thats a given. And the removal of it from infantry is awesome. It promoted too many lame tactics.

It's not a must at all. No Battlefield 3 trailer has shown 3rd person vehicles yet. It's really not that hard people have just gotten used to the lazy arcade style of vehicle control. First person though will add a lot more skill to it especially air combat. I'm guessing he means Galaxy dropships will be the only vehicles that retain 3rd person due to their size landing might be tough otherwise.

But yeah i'm looking forward to the playing the entire game first person like it should be. Now only Infiltrators get to exploit corners an they actually need it lol.

All in all the game is sounding more an more awesome. Funny we were all so pessimistic getting no info. We didn't expect much but we got a truckload these past two days.

Firefly · 2011-07-08, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by Sifer2

Funny we were all so pessimistic getting no info. We didn't expect much but we got a truckload these past two days.

My ex-wife used to love sucking my dick. Then we got married and overnight the BJs dried up. "I'm married, I don't have to do that anymore." I came to expect it and when it stopped, boy was I pissed. And this went on forever. I got to a point where I didn't expect much, and then one day after about six years she surprised me.

Kinda the same thing here. You can't really blame anyone for being pessimistic.

Aractain · 2011-07-09, 12:23 AM

This is clearly going to be a very different game but still no third person is very good. Third person was a crutch I used that just took too much of the game away and its boring.

CutterJohn · 2011-07-09, 03:20 AM

Originally Posted by Sifer2

It's not a must at all. No Battlefield 3 trailer has shown 3rd person vehicles yet. It's really not that hard people have just gotten used to the lazy arcade style of vehicle control. First person though will add a lot more skill to it especially air combat. I'm guessing he means Galaxy dropships will be the only vehicles that retain 3rd person due to their size landing might be tough otherwise.

What use was third person with air? Its only use for me was on the ground, to avoid motion sickness from the lack of shocks and to keep from running into stuff because lolinvincibletreesthatstopyouinstantly and people who can't watch where they run.

It gave the drivers a bit better situational awareness directly around the vehicle. Little else. You certainly didn't shoot from that view.

Mayhaps we should include e-brakes and manual transmissions and switches on a 3d dashboard so its not too arcady..

LordReaver · 2011-07-09, 07:56 AM

The third-person arguments are shit. Everybody has it, everybody uses it. With it gone, YOU WILL STILL HAVE CORNER CAMPERS. Look no further than COD for example. People do it, because it is smart tactically. It's called "ambushing". If you are having trouble with corners, just tell yourself there is an enemy on every turn, and presto, problem solved. When I die to a corner camper, that is my fault, not theirs. If I know they are there and die, I have failed. If I don't know they are there, I'm just being stupid. The whole point of the open world, is that there's the possibility of an enemy on any corner, including the "safe" ones. Sure, that corner camper might just be looking for easy kills, but the reason they are easy kills is because of you.

This is the same shit with Interlinks. "Oh, the radar gives the defenders a huge advantage!!" Bullshit you fucking loser, you know where they are too. You can see and hear their shots ripping through your buddy who just ran into a corner humper...

SKYeXile · 2011-07-09, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

What use was third person with air?

observe:

everytime a player isnot in my crosshair im in 3rd person view, this gives me grater field of vision to evade the enemy and get behind them.

Straws · 2011-07-09, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by LordReaver

The third-person arguments are shit. Everybody has it, everybody uses it. With it gone, YOU WILL STILL HAVE CORNER CAMPERS. Look no further than COD for example. People do it, because it is smart tactically. It's called "ambushing". If you are having trouble with corners, just tell yourself there is an enemy on every turn, and presto, problem solved. When I die to a corner camper, that is my fault, not theirs. If I know they are there and die, I have failed. If I don't know they are there, I'm just being stupid. The whole point of the open world, is that there's the possibility of an enemy on any corner, including the "safe" ones. Sure, that corner camper might just be looking for easy kills, but the reason they are easy kills is because of you.

This is the same shit with Interlinks. "Oh, the radar gives the defenders a huge advantage!!" Bullshit you fucking loser, you know where they are too. You can see and hear their shots ripping through your buddy who just ran into a corner humper...

It couldn't be countered in a few small select situations. Interlink radars cannot be compared because they can be countered, and in multiple ways. You can't counter the 'T' button.

And at the end of the day, if it's not a problem because "everyone has it", then it wont matter when everyone doesn't have it. If you're trying to argue that it being there is ok because it's an equal playing field, then it being gone is also an equal playing field.

The only reason to complain about it's removal is because it gave you an advantage. If that advantage could be countered, then yeah, removing it would be the shittiest decision of all time.

Firefly · 2011-07-09, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by Hamma

Part 2 posted.

http://www.planetside-universe.com/n...art-2-2499.htm

One of you needs a goddamn class in English 101.

LordReaver · 2011-07-09, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Straws

It couldn't be countered in a few small select situations. Interlink radars cannot be compared because they can be countered, and in multiple ways. You can't counter the 'T' button.

And at the end of the day, if it's not a problem because "everyone has it", then it wont matter when everyone doesn't have it. If you're trying to argue that it being there is ok because it's an equal playing field, then it being gone is also an equal playing field.

The only reason to complain about it's removal is because it gave you an advantage. If that advantage could be countered, then yeah, removing it would be the shittiest decision of all time.

Where exactly did I lead you to believe I cared about it's removal? I never said anything about my feelings towards it. Only that I found the arguments against it as fluff.

Moneypennie · 2011-07-09, 11:36 AM

I hope this game supports headtracking. Makes third person for vehicles and air less essential. Also adds to infantry play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wXx3vMy_AQ

You should be able to use a kinect, trackir5, and even smart phone/tablets for head tracking.

BorisBlade · 2011-07-09, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Bags

"it countered my playstyle of blindly running around corners and not using my radar thus it's lame"

No, didnt say that and no need to justify usin it man, settle down it wasnt cheating.

I use my radar and i dont blindly run around corners but radar doesn help when you are behind the corner looking around it with third person and not moving. I cant see you visually or on radar but you can see me comin. You should be using your radar and stop tryin to cheat your view.

Its better to have to stop and peek around the corner to see whats there, you take the risk peeking around just like you would in real life. You dont get psychic ghost views from a magical camera in the air to let you see around you with no risk. Peek around, see whats there if its clear then move ahead. Or if you see em comin on radar wait til that blip is near you then hop out and fire away.

The goal is a better more enjoyable fight and no 3rd person does that. Maybe not for you, but letting you have a gun that fired an OS every second would be more fun for you too but not for the game overall.

Straws · 2011-07-09, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by LordReaver

Where exactly did I lead you to believe I cared about it's removal? I never said anything about my feelings towards it. Only that I found the arguments against it as fluff.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but your post was indicating that 3rd person was not a problem. You stated that "everyone has it and every uses it" in addition to "it's my fault if I die to them, not theirs". Now, you never said that you love or hate 3rd person and that you happy or sad about it's removal, that's fine, if I gave you the impression that I was commenting on that, then you have my apologies.

However, from those comments, it seemed clear to me that you were justifying the tactic of corner camping whilst using 3rd person view. If you weren't, then you can disregard the rest of this post, in addition to my apologies for misinterpreting your post.

Now, as I mentioned, 3rd person is only a legitimate issue for small selective situations. The main one being tower capture. Now, break it down to it's foundations. You have the tower defenders and the tower attackers. Those defending have advantages, these advantages range from motion trackers and interlink radar (when within the SOI of a linked facility), in addition you have implants that assist. Now, these advantages need counters, and they all have them. This results in certain player set-ups being ideal at attacking a tower. Namely, infiltrators. Now, here's the problem, the counter for smart tower defense in completely countered by 3rd person, to the point where infiltrators are actually the worse choice for capturing a tower. Alternatively the counter is AI MAXes, but we all know how useless they are in confined spaces (as they should be).

This is the train of thought that will always result in my trying to explain why the feature of 3rd person is neither ok or fun on the infantry level of the game.

To put it one final way, I always sucked at one on one gunfights, but by using the 3rd person view, I suddenly started winning against players I know would beat me if I didn't use the technique. If something negates player skill that much, how can anyone say that there's nothing wrong with it? Regardless of whether they actually care about it's removal or not?

Hamma · 2011-07-09, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by xcel

I keep getting more and more disappointed...no specific bases? No third person? WTF. What's next? No base links/benefits?

From what I've understood this game will be based around resources in a much more tactical way. It will create a more fluid form of gameplay where you aren't focusing on the same bases over and over and over again.

You can work to capture a river bend, or a forrest for example to gain the resources that are there.

In short, PlanetSide 2 won't totally revolve around bases.