Leaning - Page 3

Erendil · 2011-08-19, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by Zulthus

Prone....no. Abused in so many games because of dolphin diving. I guess it'd be fine if only snipers could do it and it took 3-5 seconds to get into position...

Like you implied, dolphin diving can be eliminated as a valid tactic if prone is implemented correctly. Dolphin diving is prevalent in those games because the move is almost instantaneous and it hardly affects your aim at all.

However, if it takes a couple of seconds to reach (or stand up from) the prone position and makes your CoF (or whatever PS2's equivalent is) GIGANTIC until a second or two after you're completely prone, dolphin diving wouldn't be of much use other than a weak attempt at dodging. But it would still allow the prone position itself to be useful once you've settled into the prone position.

So, as you can probably guess, yes, I'd like to see prone implemented as well. It would be another tactical maneuver we could add to our arsenal, creating yet more variety in combat. However, limiting it to snipers doesn't make much sense to me. Either all (non-MAX) infantry should be able to use it, or none.

Bags · 2011-08-19, 12:56 AM

Prone isn't in PS2 (thankfully).

Erendil · 2011-08-19, 01:17 AM

AFAI know the only thing they've said is that there are "No plans for prone currently." That's not the same thing as "No, we will not be implementing prone."

Besides, this is pre-beta. If enough people ask for prone and back up their request with reasonable arguments for it, SOE might still put it in.

Incidentally, why "thankfully?"

Bags · 2011-08-19, 01:23 AM

Because it slows down the game and is pointless, like leaning. PS1 didn't need them, PS2 doesn't need them. Just encourages sniper camping.

Zulthus · 2011-08-19, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by Bags

Because it slows down the game and is pointless, like leaning. PS1 didn't need them, PS2 doesn't need them. Just encourages sniper camping.

Expected an answer like this. I'm not saying I'm for prone either, but it isn't pointless, just as leaning isn't. It provides tactical advantage over people just running and gunning through halls. You're right, PS2 doesn't need it. But I guess it wouldn't hurt if implemented right.

And snipers are...supposed to camp...you know that, right?

Bags · 2011-08-19, 01:44 AM

They don't need buffs; they were fine in PS1.

Death2All · 2011-08-19, 03:24 AM

So long as I can hit "Q" or "Numlock" to autorun I'll be happy.

The walk to the equipment terminal is rather long.

CutterJohn · 2011-08-19, 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by Zulthus

But I guess it wouldn't hurt if implemented right.

It would hurt it if the game wasn't supposed to be a lean out from doorways and fire from cover type of game.

As bags says, it would slow down gameplay, make it more of a tactical shooter. PS is rather run & gun. It took inspiration from tribes, not.. umm.. rainbow six i guess? Can't recall any other tactical shooters from that era.

Zulthus · 2011-08-19, 04:40 AM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

It would hurt it if the game wasn't supposed to be a lean out from doorways and fire from cover type of game.

As bags says, it would slow down gameplay, make it more of a tactical shooter. PS is rather run & gun. It took inspiration from tribes, not.. umm.. rainbow six i guess? Can't recall any other tactical shooters from that era.

Honestly, I really, really want an example of how something like leaning would slow down a game. How? Third person slows the game down more than leaning.

Crator · 2011-08-19, 10:14 AM

It won't slow down the game-play to any significant degree imo.

SavageB · 2011-08-19, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Bags

Because it slows down the game and is pointless, like leaning. PS1 didn't need them, PS2 doesn't need them. Just encourages sniper camping.

That's what snipers do....even in PS1...I dont see how lean is gonna make more campers in the game, it will give u an advantage just as third person does now.

Bags · 2011-08-19, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by SavageB

That's what snipers do....even in PS1...I dont see how lean is gonna make more campers in the game, it will give u an advantage just as third person does now.

Bags: Prone encourages/buffs sniper camping
Savage: LEAN DOESN'T HELP SNIPERS WTF?

SavageB · 2011-08-19, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Bags

Bags: Prone encourages/buffs sniper camping
Savage: LEAN DOESN'T HELP SNIPERS WTF?

Dont get sniped bags....Snipers cant do much in a base. I understand why your mad.

Krowe · 2011-08-19, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by SavageB

Dont get sniped bags....Snipers cant do much in a base. I understand why your mad.

And you just made yourself look like a massive idiot.

Blue · 2011-08-19, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Bags

Because it slows down the game and is pointless, like leaning. PS1 didn't need them, PS2 doesn't need them. Just encourages sniper camping.

I am not a sniper, and i've always found it way to easy to pin point snipers because their only means of good cover comes from either bailing onto a cement tree, or just moving up and down while crouched behind a mountain. I think realistically that doesn't make sense for a sniper. If there was a couple second animation time for proning and setting up your bolt driver, it would give the sniper a way of being almost completely still.

Plus, if they are implementing hitboxes, then snipers are going to need more skill to be aiming for headshots because if you hit the person in their limbs or even torso it's not going to do as much damage in ps1.

But back to leaning... did anyone play rainbow6 3? i vaguely remember leaning being highly abused because of something with the polygons and whatnot. even though that was in console, is that something that could be avoided if they put in leaning?