War is immenent - Page 3

Pilgrim · 2003-03-06, 02:59 PM

Wow... Nice post Conf... long winded as always but very nicely put.

I'm anti-war myself, as anyone who's been in war (Gulf part 1) or has an ounce of common sense... probably is.

That being said...

I'm reminded of something my father said... Violence solves nothing... and violence begets violence, neither is an acceptable sollution... untill someone hits you in the face for the third or forth time, then you just gotta hit back.

Like it or not folks we got hit... now I'm all for taking all and any action necessary to insure that it NEVER happens again. If a country feels the need to sponsor Tyrany or terrorism, then I feel that we as victims have the right to make the cost of supporting those foul concepts so high that no one will ever be willing to support them again.

Let's be honest here, the French and the Germans have their own aggenda... Yipee what a shock, let them have it. It is high time that we as Americans stop bowwing down to the Europeans when it comes to our foreign policy. We've allowed them a free hand in our affairs for a century now and all it's led to is 2 world wars and lots of over political police actions.

This is about America, and our security from a mad man who publicly stated agenda is our destruction. I have no problem at all with hitting first.

Am I anti-war... of course no sane person isn't... but I'm pro-security.

So France, and Germany, and the rest of the UN can piss off just like we should have told the League of nations to do in 36.

Peace before War
War Before Terror.

PAX

mistled · 2003-03-06, 03:09 PM

Exactly.

Lexington_Steele · 2003-03-06, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Hunter-R I'm reminded of something my father said... Violence solves nothing... and violence begets violence, neither is an acceptable sollution... untill someone hits you in the face for the third or forth time, then you just gotta hit back.[/B]

When has Iraq hit us? I know that we keep hitting them.

Lexington_Steele · 2003-03-06, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by Hunter-R
Let's be honest here, the French and the Germans have their own aggenda... Yipee what a shock, let them have it. It is high time that we as Americans stop bowwing down to the Europeans when it comes to our foreign policy. We've allowed them a free hand in our affairs for a century now and all it's led to is 2 world wars and lots of over political police actions.

It is not a good idea to alienate the international community. Why are their concerns any less valid than ours?

Gortha · 2003-03-08, 09:58 PM

@Lex

Hoi Lex,

yes Saddam is a son of a bitch.... sorry to use these words, but i do not know any better words in english for him.

No, i don�t want a Dictator as my leader.

But there are still other ways to disarm him.
There are also other ways to remove him... your Delta-Force is in Bagdad, i heared that from rumors...

@Hunter-R

Iraq never hit the United States of America... but as u said.... if u hit em they will hit back... as usaul. The US-Administration is on the best way to make more and more enemies... they are hitting the arabic-world. The US-Administration is helping Osama to get more support/Terrorists.

Greetz
Gortha

Confectrix · 2003-03-09, 10:41 AM

Gortha:

The current laws of the United States prohibit assasination or coup attempts against foreign nationals. Such things were deemed beneath US dignity; and rightly so.

I think the bulk of people today think the US wants Saddam out of Iraq. That is not what this is about. We only desire [demand] that Saddam disarm Iraq in accordance with UN security Resoultion 1441. If he complies, he will remain in power. If he does not, then the US will enforce those resolutions.

Secondly, you speak of enemies. The truth of the matter is, the US desires to enforce UN resolutions; and thereby ensure world stability. If we gain enemies by doing this; so be it.

Someone must take action. For it is by action peace is kept. Appeasement never works.

Warm regards,

Subliminal · 2003-03-09, 02:18 PM

I have the feeling that by thursday Jan 13th we will be at war with iraq. I have known since early january that this was coming. What I think it going to be interesting is too see if all of these machines of war that we've been looking for come out and attack us when we start the bombing of iraq. Maybe all the nay-sayers will realize how wrong they were to think iraq was telling the truth, Maybe all of those saying that he has weps of mass desruction will bite their tounge when he doesnt fight back. Ware is pretty worrying especially when you going agaist a country who may or may not have weapons of mass destruction.

Lexington_Steele · 2003-03-09, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Confectrix

The current laws of the United States prohibit assasination or coup attempts against foreign nationals. Such things were deemed beneath US dignity; and rightly so.

Do they prevent us from assisting groups who would assinate Saddam or start a coup?

Arshune · 2003-03-09, 02:44 PM

Those aren't the "current" laws...the assassination thing was recently changed, and the US has been assissting coups throughout its entire history just about, we just don't do them ourselves.

Confectrix · 2003-03-09, 03:05 PM

Arshune:

The current laws do prohibit assassinations as well as coups by the United States government.

Whether or not we assist other coups or assassinations, [I doubt highly, if you knew] is beyond my clearence. However, rest assured if one is caught, they will be persecuted.

The US learned along time ago that to acheive what is right; must be pursued in the right manner.

Assassinations and coups are a thing of the past.

Navaron · 2003-03-09, 04:46 PM

Actually we *can* assasinate Hussein. The geneva convention states that political officials can not be assasinated - however, Hussein was neither elected, nor considers himself a president. His title is president, however, it is a military rank and not a public office like we think. We can kill military leaders all day long. Hell we waxed Japanese Generals by the dozens.

Confectrix · 2003-03-09, 05:39 PM

It seems the United States has once again moved to take the lead in this terrible tradegy of events. Secretary of State Powell stated today [03/09/03] that a March 17th deadline has been erected and the US has no plans of changing this date. If Saddam does not comply by the aforesaid date the US would use "military force" to disarm Iraq.

Powell stated: "by March 17th (Hussein) will be seen to have lost his last chance to comply and I think everyone knows what that means... it's time to force compliances with the use of military force."

Powell also stated that if France vetos the deadline, the US would push ahead anyway whilst relations between the two countries would be "seriously" affected.

Looks like Saddam has until next Monday.

You can read the full article here:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...9/144208.shtml

Lexington_Steele · 2003-03-10, 02:00 AM

I wonder what kind of deals Powell is offering to to the smaller members of the UN on order to get their votes.

We obviously have Spain, US, and GB. 3 down 6 to go.

Confectrix · 2003-03-10, 10:57 PM

You can forget the other three.

Mtx · 2003-03-11, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by Confectrix
It seems the United States has once again moved to take the lead in this terrible tradegy of events. Secretary of State Powell stated today [03/09/03] that a March 17th deadline has been erected and the US has no plans of changing this date. If Saddam does not comply by the aforesaid date the US would use "military force" to disarm Iraq.

Powell stated: "by March 17th (Hussein) will be seen to have lost his last chance to comply and I think everyone knows what that means... it's time to force compliances with the use of military force."

Powell also stated that if France vetos the deadline, the US would push ahead anyway whilst relations between the two countries would be "seriously" affected.

Looks like Saddam has until next Monday.

You can read the full article here:

He's just blowing smoke. While the 4th Infantry Divisions armor is in the area the 4th ID is still at Fort Hood. The 1st Cal is also still at Hood and both are the frontline fighters of the Army. So when I see them leave I'll know war is on its way. Till them they are just talking.