NC Corporate Involvement. - Page 3

**Malorn** · 2012-06-12, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Whalenator

Look at all the TR **** shitting all over this thread

And there's the non-corporate side of the NC.

Shiftfaced · 2012-06-12, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Vorgan

Nah that's inaccurate. If the NC lose, those same corporations will be gutted and their leadership imprisoned/executed by the TR.

The corporations oppose the TR because the TR leadership has a habit of nationalizing corporations.

By siding openly with the NC and providing them with advances technology, the corporations are putting themselves on the line just as much as the citizens. While they may not be fighting directly, the reason is obvious: they're civilians, and someone has to provide financial backing. Without the corporations, there is no New Conglomerate.

All they want-- "they" meaning the citizens, soldiers, and corporate figures of the NC-- is freedom from the TR's wanton authoritarianism.

Of course that's assuming the vs do not win. Do not underestimate the vs. thats how you get screwed hard

Vorgan · 2012-06-12, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Shiftfaced

Of course that's assuming the vs do not win. Do not underestimate the vs. thats how you get screwed hard

I have a hard time figuring out exactly what victory conditions are for the VS, or what they would do if they won. If the TR win, it's pretty clear that the VS and NC would be dealt with harshly. If the VS win, they'd...what? Establish an independent collective and let the NC and TR sort out their differences?

Originally Posted by Malorn

And there's the non-corporate side of the NC.

Red Beard · 2012-06-12, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Vorgan

Corporate lackeys? Why does associating with corporations inherently make them lackeys? Corporations aren't inherently evil, and while they obviously have to focus on profits, they have a vested interest in creating a stable and tenable economic/social environment.

The TR seize corporations and oppress civilians (much like authoritarian leftist regimes on Earth today).

The NC seem to want a free, functioning economy. Corporations throwing their significant weight behind a movement based on freedom for individuals doesn't make those individuals lackeys: it means the men and women leading those corporations have good goals.

If you can't accept that corporations aren't all evil, then at least consider this: the NC corporations know that the TR and VS are bad business. If they betray the NC workers/civilians/soldiers, they will be seen as no better than the TR leadership, and will be turned on. They have every reason to support the NC movement.

...but maybe my point of view stems from my corporate aspirations.

Clearly you have a lot to learn about the derivatives market!

I completely understand where you're coming from there. The evils of corporate culture are readily apparent, which is why corporate oversight is essential.

Also there's already laws in place that they're already breaking, but the banking institution has enough control over the economy that gov officials are just looking the other way, allowing systemic, mass fraud to take place; all under the guise of "letting the market sort it out".

http://maxkeiser.com/

Retaliation · 2012-06-12, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Vorgan

I have a hard time figuring out exactly what victory conditions are for the VS, or what they would do if they won. If the TR win, it's pretty clear that the VS and NC would be dealt with harshly. If the VS win, they'd...what? Establish an independent collective and let the NC and TR sort out their differences?

If the VS won they would begin reshaping all of humanity towards what they believe is best. I.E. large scale genetic and cybernetic "enhancements" in order to remove what they view as fundamental human problems.

Shiftfaced · 2012-06-12, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Vorgan

I have a hard time figuring out exactly what victory conditions are for the VS, or what they would do if they won. If the TR win, it's pretty clear that the VS and NC would be dealt with harshly. If the VS win, they'd...what? Establish an independent collective and let the NC and TR sort out their differences?

Again you are underestimating the views of the vs. Bc of tr and nc at war, the vs took up the responsibility to try and preserve the world that vanu once inhabited as well as to help humanity reach its full potential bc the war could easily destroy the world they are living on.

Vorgan · 2012-06-12, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Red Beard

Clearly you have a lot to learn about the derivatives market!

Also there's already laws in place that they're already breaking, but the banking institution has enough control over the economy that gov officials are just looking the other way, allowing systemic, mass fraud to take place; all under the guise of "letting the market sort it out".

http://maxkeiser.com/

I'm still a student, plenty of time to learn

But within the context of PS2, what with it's rather superficial lore, I'm not sure how much it matters...despite my incessant pontification haha.

Regarding the laws that are already in place: that's true, but when I say "oversight" I mean legitimate regulation, both internal and federal. If the regulation doesn't work, then it isn't regulating the companies (obviously). We're getting into real-world issues now though, let's keep this in the context of PS2, eh?

Originally Posted by Shiftfaced

Again you are underestimating the views of the vs. Bc of tr and nc at war, the vs took up the responsibility to try and preserve the world that vanu once inhabited as well as to help humanity reach its full potential bc the war could easily destroy the world they are living on.

Hence my request for clarification

So the VS want to wipe out the NC and TR so that they don't threaten Auraxis? Is that the goal?

Red Beard · 2012-06-12, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Vorgan

I'm still a student, plenty of time to learn

But within the context of PS2, what with it's rather superficial lore, I'm not sure how much it matters...despite my incessant pontification haha.

Yeah sorry I get excited easily

Check out that link though...that guy used to be a wall street guy and now he spills the beans on how the system operates and give analysis on current events based on his understanding on how the game is played. Really good stuff.

Neurotoxin · 2012-06-12, 02:51 PM

Red Beard · 2012-06-12, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Neurotoxin

That is the coolest thing I've ever seen.

Vorgan · 2012-06-12, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Red Beard

Yeah sorry I get excited easily

Check out that link though...that guy used to be a wall street guy and now he spills the beans on how the system operates and give analysis on current events based on his understanding on how the game is played. Really good stuff.

Haha no worries, it's easy to get excited about this (awesome topic, after all). I'll absolutely check out that link. I'm obviously not opposed to corporations in general, but when they run amok they cause horrific amounts of damage. Big fan of people who have an inside perspective and point out the system's failings. Thanks for the link

**Malorn** · 2012-06-12, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Neurotoxin

True VS propaganda would show the NC as the 45%

Shiftfaced · 2012-06-12, 02:58 PM

Off topic related. I was really stuck between all the factions. But after reading all the lore, which is something I have always enjoyed, and participating in threads where you defend a faction like this one, I am amazed at how strong the bonds are forming between that faction and myself. I never played ps so this is all new to me as if last week but it's crazy how it is starting to set in. The people at soe are doing an awesome job. K back on topic

Neurotoxin · 2012-06-12, 03:00 PM

I dunno Malorn, a lot of non-combat civilian population has defected from NC ships to VS ships. Maybe its because we have hydroponic gardens and a dense protein cloner, and you can only recycle used proteins into poop meat.

Red Beard · 2012-06-12, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Neurotoxin

I dunno Malorn, a lot of non-combat civilian population has defected from NC ships to VS ships. Maybe its because we have hydroponic gardens and a dense protein cloner, and you can only recycle used proteins into poop meat.

Some things are just better natural!

*Warning: may contain recycled Vanu

Edit:

Guess what they're going to start adding to ground beef to reduce production costs...