Originally Posted by Sirisian
It seems odd. Your ideal system seems to be non-combat oriented. A system where players snap to corners and use it only to look around a corner. That sounds like a wasted implementation when it could be so much more.
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My ideal system would offer both. And allow you to duck behind cover that has already been built into the game to be used from a crouching position. A Mechanic that lets you crouch behind the cover and puts you in such a position where your head is down and you are fully concealed. From there you can lift up and shoot as normal from a crouch, or pop up real quick and glance around before ducking back down.
If you hit the button at a corner, you automatically take a stance facing towards the corner. Pop out with A/D and you can aim your weapon and shoot, or just snap back into position. You would be almost completely visible but the mechanic gives you faster movement in and out so if you need to duck back, you do so almost instantly.
You don't have a grasp on what I'd like to see in the game, that much is obvious. Please stop making arguments based on such assumptions. Tell me what you yourself would want to see, don't attempt to make a compromise, that's the whole point of the poll.
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Indeed, but you open yourself up when moving out of cover. It's the whole idea why some of us wanted prone and why many of us love crouch. You give players these small tactical choices they can make outside or inside for combat that make all the difference for squads in different situations.
If I'm outside behind a rock and some guy is shooting from a doorway I have many decisions at that point. Stand and shoot, crouch and reveal myself, lean, or if prone is implemented go prone and shuffle out to put a high accuracy shot in their direction. That's the whole idea behind a lot of choices. Not everyone will use them, but some people will find uses if their implementation is correct. (Implementations for all of these were proposed in previous threads).
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If I was the guy at the door, and knew you were there. I wouldn't be shooting the rock. I would be circling wide around it or tossing a grenade or assaulting your position since you are at a serious disadvantage at this point. It does not matter how you attempt to come at me, you have to move to do it and the moment you move you will be shot. PS1 didn't give you time to make these kinds of choices and actions. The other player is going to go offensive or fall back and lure you into a trap, he's not going to sit and wait for you to position yourself while he blindly shoots the rock. Kinda makes prone and lean a bit redundant.
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What if you had to be standing still to use it? For instance, if you stop moving and press q or e your player will lean with their gun. Granted it might look silly if you aren't behind cover, but it would cause a slight delay in their movement. That is they'd be forced to release the lean before they can move again (maybe with a 200 ms delay).
This allows an almost cover-like implementation for more players who stand or crouch behind cover already to then put as little of their body in harms way as possible. (For instance, aiming out of a doorway at enemies). That and if a player wants they can then use ADS to aim while in that position essentially doing a quick look if they don't use ADS to bring up their gun so they aren't shooting the wall.
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Again you are attempting to compromise with me. This is why I honestly don't like discussions with you Siri. I don't decide whether or not this gets into the game, or how it's implemented. The DEVs will make the final decision. If people wanted this system, they would share their ideas on how it can be put in. If a majority wants it in then the DEVs will decide how they want to put it in. Right now all you are trying to do is sway my personal opinion and it's very irritating to me.
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You realize you can't read the poll like that right? It's 19 against lean. You can't just add duplicate values up.
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It's multiple choice. I read it as X number of people don't want an actual cover mechanic, these people are likely going to vote no for leaning in general as well. People that want lean, but vote for no mechanic are likely going to vote for either aim & shoot, or peek as well, so their vote is still being counted. People who vote for mechanic obviously want a lean feature and will vote for either aim & shoot or peek.
Either way, the poll is meant to show whether or not a lean feature is actually needed. So far people favor a system that doesn't really need an actual feature.
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