Suicidal Pilots? - Page 3

Rbstr · 2012-12-05, 12:49 PM

Locking someone in when the thing is on fire is a horrible broken way of doing things. Bailing with LA seems to me like a perfect case of planning ahead and making the trade of of living vs. being able to repair on a whim (being an engineer).

You should simply get kill credit for the suicide.

Lafen · 2012-12-05, 01:20 PM

Give them nothing but take from them everything.

xuur · 2012-12-05, 01:43 PM

and what about bailing out of a burning hulk of a tank? if Im taking fire, my tank is all but done and I can bail and take cover...is that considered cheap? a kill steal? robbing someone of a point just because I didnt stand there and get burned alive trying to repair it?

Im thinking not.

not entirely sure why an aircraft would be considered so differently.

Dragonskin · 2012-12-05, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by xuur

and what about bailing out of a burning hulk of a tank? if Im taking fire, my tank is all but done and I can bail and take cover...is that considered cheap? a kill steal? robbing someone of a point just because I didnt stand there and get burned alive trying to repair it?

Im thinking not.

not entirely sure why an aircraft would be considered so differently.

Yea, add to that sunderers or galaxies... where do you draw the line? Should 12 people be locked into a vehicle that is about to die just because you don't want them bailing?

People have a huge grudge against ESFs for some reason, but don't want the same rules applied to vehicles they use. I doubt anyone will agree ground vehicles should have the same rules as air.

ShadetheDruid · 2012-12-05, 02:08 PM

Isn't the important thing that you made the pilot crash and die? I mean, people are constantly saying that kills/rewards don't matter and it's how you help your faction. Even if the floor killed them instead of you, that's still one less aircraft in the air.

Not that it's not an arsehole move to jump out just to deny someone reward for their effort (as opposed to the possibility of survival). You should at least get assist XP for it.

This is just more evidence the ground is OP, just think how much/many XP/BR it must have.

Roderick · 2012-12-05, 02:47 PM

I have been guilty of nosediving my plane, but that is due to frustration of A2A in PlanetSide 2. I love good air combat and have had my fair share of good victories and defeats against good pilots, but when all of a sudden I am engaged in a good fight and then see that I am locked on from A2A by those joining into the fight and countermeasures can only do so much before you are relocked on again, nosediving the plane just feels like the right thing to do as a personal protest.

I may be able to shake one or two lock on's, but when the sky is filled with many A2A users including those on the ground using SAMs, I just say F this and try and prevent an unearned kill.

shortcake · 2012-12-05, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Roderick

I have been guilty of nosediving my plane, but that is due to frustration of A2A in PlanetSide 2. I love good air combat and have had my fair share of good victories and defeats against good pilots, but when all of a sudden I am engaged in a good fight and then see that I am locked on from A2A by those joining into the fight and countermeasures can only do so much before you are relocked on again, nosediving the plane just feels like the right thing to do as a personal protest.

I may be able to shake one or two lock on's, but when the sky is filled with many A2A users including those on the ground using SAMs, I just say F this and try and prevent an unearned kill.

Yep, most feel the same way. If some scrubbo with a2a missiles locks on and is about to kill me, I'll bail and suicide no problem. I'll even try to get altitude so I can deconstruct my plane in midair to deny them a vehicle assist, because they don't deserve it.

CrankyTRex · 2012-12-05, 03:10 PM

Can't say as I've ever bailed or crashed trying to suicide and deny a kill. I have trying to survive though.

I'm not sure if there's really anything to do about it given it's really difficult to ascertain the motive of a player. I'd like to get kills for players who die as a direct result of my shooting at their plane, but I'm not sure if there's a system that can be put in place that will recognize when that happened and not something else.

Ruffdog · 2012-12-05, 03:18 PM

Issue quadrupled spawn timers for suiciders above BR 10
Don't like it? Don't want to be out of the fight that long? Then credit your killer and die like a man!

Roderick · 2012-12-05, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Ruffdog

Issue quadrupled spawn timers for suiciders above BR 10
Don't like it? Don't want to be out of the fight that long? Then credit your killer and die like a man!

I'll die like a man when you fight me like one.

MrBloodworth · 2012-12-05, 03:30 PM

I have a hard time believing that people are jumping out with the only intention of robbing someone of a kill. That gives way to much credit to most players. I find it more believable its a reaction in a vain attempt to survive.

After all this also happens for tanks, and everyone does it. But its also part of why Battlefield like Enter/Exit is a joke.

Dragonskin · 2012-12-05, 04:19 PM

How is using A2A less manly? I don't use them often, but it's a comment a lot of Air people make.

Look.. A2A almost guarantees a kill. So am I just supposed to duel you old west style with my guns and fly in circles around each other in a slow dance both trying to get our nose on the other for the kill?

Or kill you mercilessly and efficiently while cutting out all the slow dance spinning crap?

Which one is more manly and why?

Sorry, even though I do kill EFSs with my main gun because I usually carry A2G rockets. If I happen to have A2A slotted then I will lock-on you're slow spinning butt because I don't want to dance... How about you take it like a man and not complain because someone used better weapons for the job at hand.

For the record, I do take it like a man and only carry A2A rockets if my outfit asks me to focus enemy air.