Im fairly certain that now of the fore grips have any effect at all after testing. - Page 3

AThreatToYou · 2013-01-20, 12:07 AM

PROBLEM: Recoil assists//forward grip devices are not functioning\\performing as predicted//hoped.

SOLUTION: Have a developer enlighten\\inform US as to their function.

Palerion · 2013-01-20, 12:08 AM

I don't notice much of a difference on my trac-5 with or without. Of course, whenever in-game numeric stats are added, I'll probably notice a difference strictly due to placebo.

Belhade · 2013-01-20, 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by Rolfski

Aiming Down Sight, you dumb fuck

Thanks!

Stellarthief · 2013-01-24, 09:41 AM

I put the compensator on my flare and noticed an immediate difference, in full auto mode but especially in rapid fire 3 shot burst mode. Aiming at a wall through 3.4x scope at maybe, 50?m away, notice quite the difference. Even with iron scopes, close up wall with the flare I noticed a marginal difference.

Nothing that would unbalance the weapon. Could be foregrip is same? Not sure if I would put it on my flare as I dont notice any horizontal recoil though...

Boomzor · 2013-01-24, 11:47 AM

I did a little measuring.
In fairly close range with the Gauss Saw - From the blocks to side of the warp gate spawn building doors to the wall (on Esamir as there's a platform to stand on) - there is next to no difference in horizontal spread. That was with adv. grip compared to no grip.

There is a miniscule difference while hipfiring but I'm not sure that is due to the adv grip or just the random spread.

This was done with 25 round bursts which I consider "sustained fire".

Standing still that is.
Not sure if it stabilizes the gun while moving (and ADS-ing), but in any case, that is *not* what the tool tip says.

Allows the use of a forward grip. Forward grip increase the user's controle of the weapon, reducing the horizontal recoil during sustained fire.

Advanced grip says the same.

ShadetheDruid · 2013-01-24, 12:26 PM

Ah, this topic has resurfaced!

Originally Posted by krnasaur

I did. But it took the compensator and the foregrip for me to notice a diffence

I tried out the Warden with both based on this, and there's definitely a difference.

Seems like the changes the two attachments make on their own are almost unnoticeable (even in basic wall testing situations), but together they do actually do something.

Ghoest9 · 2013-01-24, 12:32 PM

Which suggests that all the guns with no compensator option are getting no benefit from the grip?

Stellarthief · 2013-01-25, 04:33 AM

Originally Posted by ShadetheDruid

Ah, this topic has resurfaced!

I am the great reviver!

Originally Posted by Ghoest9

Which suggests that all the guns with no compensator option are getting no benefit from the grip?

That is a good question Ghoest9... Another question is also if the compensator effects are increased when a grip is added.

I would also be interested to know if the effects are different when strafing / hip fire, strafing / Ads, standing hip, standing ADS. If each compensates the same in each situation or differently. If it's different at different ranges and different if you combo them or not in those different situations.

Probably easiest thing would be for a dev to just come out and say, "it works" or "doesn't work as intended" because that's a lot of testing for something that even if it works probably gives marginal benefit and only when you use the weapon "properly" (full auto empty a 75 bullet mag and its not gonna help you hit anything when your CoF gets that large).

Zaik · 2013-01-25, 02:01 PM

I feel like i've answered this a dozen times now between the main forums and here.

Both regular and advanced foregrip clearly have an effect. If you aren't seeing one on your gun of choice then either your sights aren't magnified enough to notice or your gun's horizontal recoil is already so small that it doesn't help any.

SeraphC · 2013-01-25, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Zaik

Both regular and advanced foregrip clearly have an effect. If you aren't seeing one on your gun of choice then either your sights aren't magnified enough to notice or your gun's horizontal recoil is already so small that it doesn't help any.

I must say you're video doesn't really convince me. There might be a tiny difference, but it's a joke none the less.
If it takes that range to start noticing tiny differences in spread (and I'm not sure I did), then what's the point?

Ghoest9 · 2013-01-25, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Zaik

I feel like i've answered this a dozen times now between the main forums and here.

Foregrip Comparison, Round 2

Both regular and advanced foregrip clearly have an effect. If you aren't seeing one on your gun of choice then either your sights aren't magnified enough to notice or your gun's horizontal recoil is already so small that it doesn't help any.

No.
I was doing wall tests where I compared side by side patterns. You do them from a distance then you can walk up and look at them. On guns with directional side recoil it was clear that there was no effect.

Zaik · 2013-01-26, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by SeraphC

I must say you're video doesn't really convince me. There might be a tiny difference, but it's a joke none the less.
If it takes that range to start noticing tiny differences in spread (and I'm not sure I did), then what's the point?

Horizontal recoil on most weapons is back and forth. It moves an equal amount in each direction, and usually alternates direction every time(though it seems to randomly decide to kick the same direction twice every now and then). That means that at some arbitrary range your maximum accuracy for non-single shots becomes 50% even using a 0 ADS CoF weapon like the Gauss SAW because your aim is jumping all the way off the target horizontally before the second shot. The foregrip reduces it, and therefore lengthens the range that you aren't capped at 50% accuracy.

Ghoest9 · 2013-01-26, 08:21 AM

Hmmm no response to the real problem with your vid?

Kalbuth · 2013-01-26, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Ghoest9

No.
I was doing wall tests where I compared side by side patterns. You do them from a distance then you can walk up and look at them. On guns with directional side recoil it was clear that there was no effect.

Don't use wall tests to check out horizontal recoils, because your CoF bloom is going to screw up bullet placement on top of horizontal recoil.
You don't see much difference because CoF kicks in the same way with and without foregrips

Ghoest9 · 2013-01-26, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by Kalbuth

Don't use wall tests to check out horizontal recoils, because your CoF bloom is going to screw up bullet placement on top of horizontal recoil.
You don't see much difference because CoF kicks in the same way with and without foregrips

This is incorrect. If the foregrip was working the total recoil vector would change when you add or remove it. To see if its working all you need to observe is the angle made by the first half of the clip.