So This Is How You Treat Us SOE? - Page 3

HiroshiChugi · 2013-02-15, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Rat

Gotta look at it from another angle, I dont think the camos were ever intended to actually hide anyone, especially since they are station cash purchase only....thats blatent pay to win, maybe SOE thinks the camo was working better than intended.

The letter obviously says that they changed the graphics settings and such. The camos haven't changed, just the graphics and stuff.

BIGGByran · 2013-02-15, 01:15 PM

I like what they have done to my vehicle camo, before it was so mute that it looks stock. Now they made it "pop" out more and is a lot better for Amerish.

I wish they would just leave the camo alone and just do a Ver.2 for it and for those that didn't buy the camo, have a way of previewing it before purchase, like actually seeing it on the tank.

BIGGByran · 2013-02-15, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Ghoest9

You apparently didnt know it - but before the patch your camo already looked drastically different to different people based on what graphics setting they used.

@ OP
What he was saying here is that the same camo doesn't look the same to everyone. Someone with LOW graphic settings will see it differently than someone with HIGH graphic settings and everything else in between. So maybe your camo is mute with people playing at Low to Med graphic settings. Maybe they just made the camo the way it was meant to look, due to the performance issues.

ChipMHazard · 2013-02-15, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Riekopo

I replied to Chip and received another charming response:
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Well there we have it, this being the case there isn't anything to warrant, even from an business ethics point of view, a refund of any kind.

While you can certainly complain about the changes made to the ingame graphics that would be for a different thread.

MrBloodworth · 2013-02-15, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Riekopo

TomaHawk from the official forum:

Yea, who are we, the players that keep business in business, to expect them to do right by their customers? Awful expectation, really. I mean, next thing you know, you'll expect other MMOs to refund skill points or start providing fair customer service to their players in some stupid attempt at keeping them around. Preposterous!

I guess it's impossible for SOE to leave the purchased camo in the game for those players who bought it, then adding (vs changing) a new camo while removing the original from the menu?

A child wrote that.

Also, you keep reposting things from this thread to the official forms and back, not things that you have written but what others have written. If people wanted to comment on your thread in the OF they would, if they wanted to post here, they would. You need to stop.

Sifer2 · 2013-02-15, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by MrBloodworth

I'm going to guess that the images feed to the shader for camos was what was changed to Atlas to remove the 60mb of video memory. This Atlasing likely created color shifts do to palatalization during DXT5 compression.

Lastly, asking for a refund due to some color changes? How petty can you be? Its not like they completely changed to pastel or something. Looks to me it moved in some cases about 20 to 30 points in HEX value.

That explanation makes the most sense. Since it seems like every camo got brighter even stuff like Alpha Squad. TR Alpha Squad looks almost pink now. Question is whether the art team will go back an fix this.

Graywolves · 2013-02-15, 03:32 PM

That particular camo always looked like that kind that stands out in the open very well. With that kind of camouflage you're supposed to be in the shade or somewhere to break your silhouette.

I never noticed a change personally. I'm just glad my strawberry milkshake camou is so awesome, even if the big white and red splotches make me stand out.

mrmrmrj · 2013-02-15, 03:50 PM

If anyone thinks that camo affects the enemy's ability to see your tank or sunderer, you are nuts.

MrBloodworth · 2013-02-15, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Sifer2

That explanation makes the most sense. Since it seems like every camo got brighter even stuff like Alpha Squad. TR Alpha Squad looks almost pink now. Question is whether the art team will go back an fix this.

Within limits, it can be minimized. But then it comes down to money, time, schedule, Will and whatnot.

The Assertion that this was Intentional and with some sort of malice is ridiculous though.

Dragonskin · 2013-02-15, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by mrmrmrj

If anyone thinks that camo affects the enemy's ability to see your tank or sunderer, you are nuts.

Pretty much this. A different hue of the same pattern making it slightly more vibrant... big whoop. You chose the camo to look different than the average Joe... not to use it tactically to blend into your surroundings. Camo in game doesn't work the same as camo in real life. You don't have a empire specific taco over your head in real life with your name over it.

Eliphas · 2013-02-15, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by MrBloodworth

Within limits, it can be minimized. But then it comes down to money, time, schedule, Will and whatnot.

The Assertion that this was Intentional and with some sort of malice is ridiculous though.

Unless it was done to generate revenue. But that is a huge if and a bit of a reason I do not like the idea of free to play games. Sure they have the sub for the queue time and xp boost but really how do you think that is going to last for the extra development down the five year road. I can see both side of the coin on this issue.

Ghoest9 · 2013-02-15, 06:04 PM

The hue changed on pretty much everything(depending on your graphic setting) with the Feb 2 patch.

This was not targeted at camo.

Get a grip.

Obstruction · 2013-02-15, 08:50 PM

nerfed because people couldn't see you with it on lol. next set of camos will include glowing red bullseye targets on the back for game balance. but actually they'll only change it when the next set of camos are available for sale.

Jenkss · 2013-02-15, 08:59 PM

I'll try submitting my own ticket. I used to LOVE the jungle camo on my vehicles on Vanu.

They are so bright and ugly now it's not even funny. I bought a few of the new Amerish camos as they look how my old camo used to. Which is sad.

I was pretty upset with the change to the camo for exactly the same reason, if it looked bright and fluoro like it does now I would have never spent the 500SC on the unlimited option.

Give me my 500SC back and I'll immediately spend it on more Amerish camo

Riekopo · 2013-02-16, 04:53 AM

I will keep trying to get a refund. The more attention we bring to this issue the more likely SOE will do something about it.

My latest response:

Ghrutz,

Whether the camouflage cosmetic item was changed because of changes to the rendering or because of something else is irrelevant to me and everyone else who had their camouflage changed. The simple fact remains that I bought a cosmetic item because of the way it looked. That cosmetic item now looks vastly different. Do you not see a problem here? Are you also aware that when this change happened new camouflages were released that were muted and natural looking like the old camouflages? Do you understand how this looks? I have spent nearly $300 on PS2, was in Beta and Alpha Squad, joined a PS2 clan, and participated in UES. All I want is for SOE to do right by their customer. If you can't resolve this then I need to speak to someone else at SOE.

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