Help me help you!Hackers - Page 3

Assist · 2013-05-19, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by p0intman

hey rumble, if chip closes this PM me. I've got space available on my site if you want to actually out hackers as a public service to the community. I also give no fucks.

Players are usually wrong about hackers. They're just convinced they're the best ever and there's no way someone out there is better than them.

I believe this point has been illustrated multiple times on this site since the release of PS2, in which players have blatantly called out players for being hackers and as it turned out they were not hacking. Luckily the moderators removed the complaints, and/or banned the criers, because this kind of shit shouldn't be on this site of all places.

I completely agree with Basti that the best thing people can do for the future of PS2 is to not blow a very small issue in the game out of proportion by screaming out the name/software of the hackers. APB was completely ruined by the community that played the game, not the hackers that abused it.

The only people who have a legitimate way of detecting who is hacking or not is SoE, and they should be the only ones who rat players out and/or discuss the hacking, hackers, or the hacking software. If you're spending your free time visiting hacking websites so you can feel that you're better at detecting hackers by your encounters in the game, then you're wasting your time and our time by discussing this.

p0intman · 2013-05-19, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Assist

Players are usually wrong about hackers. They're just convinced they're the best ever and there's no way someone out there is better than them.

I believe this point has been illustrated multiple times on this site since the release of PS2, in which players have blatantly called out players for being hackers and as it turned out they were not hacking. Luckily the moderators removed the complaints, and/or banned the criers, because this kind of shit shouldn't be on this site of all places.

I completely agree with Basti that the best thing people can do for the future of PS2 is to not blow a very small issue in the game out of proportion by screaming out the name/software of the hackers. APB was completely ruined by the community that played the game, not the hackers that abused it.

The only people who have a legitimate way of detecting who is hacking or not is SoE, and they should be the only ones who rat players out and/or discuss the hacking, hackers, or the hacking software. If you're spending your free time visiting hacking websites so you can feel that you're better at detecting hackers by your encounters in the game, then you're wasting your time and our time by discussing this.

if there is proof enough out there, and it has merit, I'm willing to give it a place to see the light of day.

Rumblepit · 2013-05-19, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Assist

Players are usually wrong about hackers. They're just convinced they're the best ever and there's no way someone out there is better than them.

I believe this point has been illustrated multiple times on this site since the release of PS2, in which players have blatantly called out players for being hackers and as it turned out they were not hacking. Luckily the moderators removed the complaints, and/or banned the criers, because this kind of shit shouldn't be on this site of all places.

I completely agree with Basti that the best thing people can do for the future of PS2 is to not blow a very small issue in the game out of proportion by screaming out the name/software of the hackers. APB was completely ruined by the community that played the game, not the hackers that abused it.

The only people who have a legitimate way of detecting who is hacking or not is SoE, and they should be the only ones who rat players out and/or discuss the hacking, hackers, or the hacking software. If you're spending your free time visiting hacking websites so you can feel that you're better at detecting hackers by your encounters in the game, then you're wasting your time and our time by discussing this.

it takes bit more then a suspicious kill or movement to really tell if a person is hacking, thank god we have real time stat tracking.... i never ever report anyone without looking their stats to see if it even warrants a report.

first time i was killed by stormed i knew something was wrong with that guy.
i looked up his stats to see if something was off and what do ya know. this is not a hackusation btw, hes been ban.
https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5...148401/weapons

just by looking at a few of the payers stats you can see that in this case it was true, he was not legit, so i reported him everyday until he was banned. first run in i had with him he was br 30 something, they got him at br 84 after he got his first ban lifted at br 69.

https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5...385441/weapons

beaverhunter was friends with stormed and they always used the exact same hacks, esp, aimbot, tele, so on so forth, but as soon as he killed me i kewn something was off. took a look at the stats, then reported him.

after looking at so many player stats you start to see a pattern , a avg accuracy of 25% is common , 15% headshots are common, assist to kills is always about 1/3. these are very easy ways to see if your suspicions warrant a report.

im trying to let people know how they can report efficiently, what we dont need is the devs getting flooded with bs reports about legit players. knowing what hacks people are using,knowing what the newest hacks are, and knowing avg stats of players in ps2 will make everyone more efficient when it comes down to reporting hackers.thus creating a better game for everyone.......

is it just connery then? i know its pretty bad atm, cant really speak for any of the other servers tho.
im not getting owned all day everyday, im a decent player, 2.0 kd infantry 24/7.....
im on the ground all day everyday,maybe this is why i see so many.

and another thing, wtf is with all the hate? you make it sound like im pushing drugs. im sorry the problem concerns me, ive seen what damage it can do first hand. ignoring it will not solve anything.

Ait'al · 2013-05-19, 05:39 PM

Rumblepit, you are right about education being what is needed. But you don't have the knowledge(note even a tiny fraction of it). it has to be knowledge of programming so people understand it specifically and can discuss it intelligently. Ironically rules about talking about hacks that have become so common in recent years are part of the problem because companies don't want to be bothered or forums about whatever stupid thing people have been threatened with over the years or made to feel threatened(violations of the 1st amendment btw if it is from government or threat of legal action which ironically the internet is full of examples of. It ALL stems from an uneducated society!). There used to be no things that couldn't be discussed. it was encouraged, and actually forced, because this was an engineering/educational environment(in fact it must be in all environments for society to be healthy. It is a naturally need and responsibility). And rightfully so. But you don't have that knowledge and you have to get it first. You are going on ego BECAUSE you lack knowledge. if you want to do this the right you have to do it the right way. You have to be able to understand where you do and don't know things and learn a lot. Try asking if it's a hack and see for example, if that is permissible now a days. or go study programming. In other words things that allow YOU to gain knowledge.

In order to teach BTW you have to the full knowledge of the subject matter and concretely. You don't have that. Putting up vids isn't bad, but the hyper stuff is not helpful. It would help if 95% of the internet population were engineer programmers again because they could tell you in 2 seconds what specifically was happening and try to deduce what is happening. But there is no urgent need to cover hackers in this way. Any problems that exist at this point are decades old. They don't need to be solved in 10 seconds. Go study engineering and programming. Try studying old chip design and assembly language etc. Learn how a system works and then study how to design Kernels/Oses etc and applications. You are not losing something BTW the companies are. The idea of "chipping in" is not realistic. They have to learn work ethic.

Try making a video game! 8p

basti · 2013-05-19, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Rumblepit

hes right, im wrong , there is no where near as many hackers in game as we think,i suck and i scream hacks every time i die.all hackers will get banned by the admins, and they should remove the /report feature altogether, so noooobs like myself cant report legit players over and over again.

diarrhea from the mouth of a clueless player is all read there.your whats wrong with this game and your acting a fool, and you need to stop while you still have what little rep have left.
if you dont want to contribute to this thread , DONT READ IT, DONT POST IN IT. nobody cares what your opinion is on the matter.

fyi i beta tested and played abp until they took it down.hyper sensitive players towards hackers didnt cause the game to flop. it was the hackers lol

just wondering what f2p games you played before this??? me? war rock, full of hackers, combat arms full of hackers,cross fire full of hackers. tf when it went f2p full of hackers.

i have had more hackers ban then most have ever seen. where do you get your extensive knowledge of hackers from?
ive seen it all kido, opk, 0 delay, svp, gps, chams,esp, wall hack, rear tele hacks, warning hacks, closest threat hacks,bone shot, invis bs, i could go on for days. stay clueless , who needs ya.

also you just gave me a great reason to make a account on miller, hope to cya in game

Heres the thing: I know pretty well what happend in APB, because it was a problem that was growing from the very start, and I was just one of the horde of guys who approached the devs as directly as possible to make them aware about the gigantic mistake they are about to do.

As a matter of fact, they ignored us. Completly. I never got a responce to my emails, and i dont know of anyone else who got one.

Their mistake was that they just reacted to whatever hack was thrown at the game, and thats to little in a F2P. The games you mentioned are the same there, especially TF2. (Just not Crossfire. Why the fuck did you play that Counter-Strike clone? )

SOE does it actually right. They patch often, their AC is complely build into the game, and they also have a very active Support team. Thats the best you can do for a F2P.

And as to where i have my knowledge from: Expirience. Ive seen more communitys go to shit because of random hack accusions than you have been part off.

Hackers cant destroy a game alone, they need a community that overreacts, and a dev team that doesnt react. Now planetside 2 got a dev team that reacts, and if we can make sure that the community doesnt overreact, then the problem fades away by itself.

btw: see what this thread gets into? Thats the problem! ANY AND ALL DISCUSSION ON HACKS DEVOLVES A COMMUNITY! Thats a universal fact about game communitys. So dont go there, ever.

EvilNinjadude · 2013-05-19, 06:09 PM

Glad to see that the language in this thread has gone back to normal. Shitstorm averted, I can post again now.

Rumble, I'd like you to keep me updated in some way, because I feel that knowing the hackers' tools is worth it. Posting them on these forums upsets a lot of people, as you see.

Apart from that, I'd be willing to put this to rest.

basti · 2013-05-19, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by EvilNinjadude

Glad to see that the language in this thread has gone back to normal. Shitstorm averted, I can post again now.

Rumble, I'd like you to keep me updated in some way, because I feel that knowing the hackers' tools is worth it. Posting them on these forums upsets a lot of people, as you see.

Apart from that, I'd be willing to put this to rest.

Heres the problem: The more you know, the more you worry.

If you knew exactly about all the things that are possible for a hacker, especially for one that knows how to avoid detection, then you never stop to worry. Whenever you get killed in a even just slightly dodgy way, you will worry. And because of all your knowlege about hacks, you will come to the conclusion that it might have been a hacker. This will never stop, but only get worse.

Its the most awful thing you can do to yourself. Trust me, been there, done that, managed to get it under control after years. And it was awful. It isnt helping you, it will just make you log off and unistall games just because the last 40 guys who killed you could have potentially maybe been hackers. But the truth is: of those 40 guys, 35 were just completly usual folks playng along, 4 had some sort of bug/lag/whatever random thing happening that made things look kinda dodgy on your end, and one, just one, is a damn good player. None of that 40 guys were hackers. But to you, all of them were.

And it only gets worse there. You log off, you unistall, you go to random forum A, B or C and post about that shitty game thats full of hackers. All the people reading that post of yours may spread your post around, and suddenly you have a community yelling about all the terrible cheaters everywhere, and a lot of potential new players never give the game a try, or join it assuming everyone is hacking. And thats all because you just worried to much.

Thats what hacking is really doing to games. ITs not the hack itself that damages the games, and also not the hackers, but the normal players that worry to much about a problem they cant even affect in the slightest.

Baneblade · 2013-05-19, 06:29 PM

What did we expect to happen when SOE touted Punkbuster as their primary anti-cheat system?

EvilNinjadude · 2013-05-19, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by basti

Heres the problem: The more you know, the more you worry.

If you knew exactly about all the things that are possible for a hacker, especially for one that knows how to avoid detection, then you never stop to worry. Whenever you get killed in a even just slightly dodgy way, you will worry. And because of all your knowlege about hacks, you will come to the conclusion that it might have been a hacker. This will never stop, but only get worse.

Its the most awful thing you can do to yourself. Trust me, been there, done that, managed to get it under control after years. And it was awful. It isnt helping you, it will just make you log off and unistall games just because the last 40 guys who killed you could have potentially maybe been hackers. But the truth is: of those 40 guys, 35 were just completly usual folks playng along, 4 had some sort of bug/lag/whatever random thing happening that made things look kinda dodgy on your end, and one, just one, is a damn good player. None of that 40 guys were hackers. But to you, all of them were.

And it only gets worse there. You log off, you unistall, you go to random forum A, B or C and post about that shitty game thats full of hackers. All the people reading that post of yours may spread your post around, and suddenly you have a community yelling about all the terrible cheaters everywhere, and a lot of potential new players never give the game a try, or join it assuming everyone is hacking. And thats all because you just worried to much.

Thats what hacking is really doing to games. ITs not the hack itself that damages the games, and also not the hackers, but the normal players that worry to much about a problem they cant even affect in the slightest.

I'm gonna let that prophecy pass me by to become true for someone somewhere else. I "grew up" in gaming with low skill and shitty hardware. I have a KDR of 0.5 and if I get killed tons of times, I know it's legit because either it's my hardware or my skill that's lacking, or a mixture of both. And every time I die I reflect for a few seconds on what caused my death: Hacks, latency, me having been standing lagged out for 5 seconds because I don't have enough RAM or me just being terrible at CQC combat? Or maybe the other guy's been sniping since BR5?

I don't worry, but that doesn't mean other people won't either. Your prophecy is valid, just not for me. That's why I saw sense in what you were writing, despite it not quite applying to me.

NUKABAZOOKA · 2013-05-19, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by p0intman

hey rumble, if chip closes this PM me. I've got space available on my site if you want to actually out hackers as a public service to the community. I also give no fucks.

I'd recommend against it, because as far as I'm concerned, Rumblepit doesn't have a whole lot of credibility.

ChipMHazard · 2013-05-19, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by p0intman

hey rumble, if chip closes this PM me. I've got space available on my site if you want to actually out hackers as a public service to the community. I also give no fucks.

Why would I do that?:/

I guess this means I am finally becoming a real mod, now that people are starting to have irrational fears about what I might do

But yes, I you [Rumblepit] really want to make threads about what kind of hacks are out there for PS2 and you can't see any way of doing so without breaking the rules here, then it would probably be a good idea to make said threads where you can do so in the manner you think is best without breaking any rules. Could also try going about it in a more creative way here.

Edit: No reason to try and beat Nostradamus on bad predictions, Point:/

p0intman · 2013-05-19, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by ChipMHazard

Why would I do that?:/

I guess this means I am finally becoming a real mod, now that people are starting to have irrational fears about what I might do

But yes, I you [Rumblepit] really want to make threads about what kind of hacks are out there for PS2 and you can't see any way of doing so without breaking the rules here, then it would probably be a good idea to make said threads where you can do so in the manner you think is best without breaking any rules. Could also try going about it in a more creative way here.

did it to the other threads, predicted it would be done here. vOv

Baneblade · 2013-05-19, 09:14 PM

I'd rather see a name and shame database than a wiki on hacking games. But you would also have to have ample proof that someone is actually hacking to be on the list.

Not to mention, who is the White Knight we are all supposed to trust to be impartial?

Babyfark McGeez · 2013-05-19, 09:26 PM

Actually the whole hacking angle of this game is one thing i think they have been handling well from the start.
Granted i don't really play currently but in all the time i did there were only a handful of situations where i was convinced we had a hacker around. And only one time i kinda got pissed off, for a hacker was close to taking our last base on esamir which we were holding at that time. It took authorities a god-awful long time to ban such an obvious hacker, but even then we managed to hold the lock (note: when in doubt, throw bodies at the enemy - k/d ratio is for kids :ö ).

So for a free-to-play title of this magnitude i feel that's perfectly acceptable.

EDIT: As for the OP, i gotta agree with what i saw in one of the first replies: "It's SOEs problem". If i think someone is hacking, i report them. Should i, for whatever weird reason, come across an actual hack or hacking site i would e-mail the link to the SOE support. Rest is up to them.

Hamma · 2013-05-19, 09:40 PM

You won't give up on this will you Rumblepit?

Look, posting hacks and discussing them benefits nobody at all. It doesn't benefit us as a community because it raises exposure for the hackers. It doesn't benefit SOE, because again it raises exposure for the hackers. Report these links DIRECTLY to SOE via Tickets or Private Messages on these forums or the official forums.

At no point will we ever allow the outright discussion of hacks and cheats on this website. I am not going to give these people the traffic they so desire and I will not take part in raising the exposure on hacks.

The only people that need to be discussing specific hacks are SOE, nothing we can do as a community will benefit the development team or customer support. We are simply making it so more people will hack and in some cases giving these scum additional revenue.

This PSU Policy WILL NOT change no matter how many threads you post about the subject.

Hell if you really want send the links to hacks to me and I will make sure they get to the right people.