MeanWhile Free 2 Play are struggling, PAY 2 WIN Players are doing this with resources - Page 3

Dreamcast · 2013-07-10, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by Qwan

LMAO

I remember back before the release they said PS2 was going to be F2P. Guys were like yeaaaa, awesome, thats so cool of SOE. Guys Im going to type something and you might get a little upset about it. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FREE TO PLAY. There is YOU CAN PLAY FOR FREE BUT YOU NOT GOING TO ENJOY IT and there is, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO ENJOY THIS GAME YOUR GOING TO HAVE TO PAY. Ok so let drop the F2P and replace it with PFFBYNGTE, come on guys you cant be that nieve. Me I pay my sub, and I get a 7 day xp boost, my XP stays at 100%+ (depending on the cont pop). I knew when they came out with this F2P model it was going to cost more money then just my sub I usta pay back in PS1, is it worth it Yea cause I love PS2. See P2P is cheaper for your average gamer, were F2P rakes in the dough for the developers, P2P 13$ or 15$ a month full access to everthing, no extra cash required, were as F2P you have two options grind, or spend a little extra cash to get it faster,

O and if you want somthing cool like cammo or a mask grinding wont get it, you have to pay for that. And I like SOE's explanation for this, "we want to give our gamers options". But to keep it plain and simple, No one does anything for free in this buisness, so please stop lying to yourselves, and get a sub, its a nice boost in xp and resources. If you think your just going to log in and grind out some certs and by everthing your either delutional or have no life. Im a Auraxium member, and stay with a xp boost, my C-4, mines, and Grenades stay at 40, but then again im a PS2 junky. ....

League of Legends....is a fair free 2 play game....They only boost XP/IP which are basically certs...They just give you sidegrades/options.

Certs are not pay 2 win....Sure they give u slight upgrades,sidegrades,options.

But you can buy medkits,revive grenades,c4,mines with certs.....but you still need the resources to use them.

So yes you might have more options...but u don't have the power to have an endless supply of resources.

That will be a close fair game....since resources can't be bought with money.

Resource boost is just plain Pay 2 Win

Dreamcast · 2013-07-10, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by Ruffdog

Pay with time or pay with money. Nothing is free bro

Like I said League of Legends.

Certs are fair...I see no problem with XP boost.

Resources boost on the other hand...is like Riot giving paying members more gold per second lol.

Mastachief · 2013-07-10, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by Dreamcast

Resource boost is just plain Pay 2 Win

It's just not, its pay for convenience. Out of resources? you better wait or pay a subscription and get more per tick. It is time nothing more.

Obstruction · 2013-07-10, 07:47 AM

Pay with time or pay with money. Nothing is free bro

Gas, Grass, or Ass, AM I RITE???!

BackzBanny · 2013-07-10, 07:50 AM

So a paying member who doesn't have any other boosts gets +50% ressources and +50% xp.

that improves his passive income by 50% and his active income also.
as you don't "like" to have to fight in inf-res-areas "just to get your damn ressources", let's assume said paying member behaves the same.

so in conclusion, he gets 1.5 times the ressources you get. BIG DEAL. so every time YOU put down a mine, he puts down one and a half. that's gonna rack dem kills up for him, sure...

considering that you are "starving", even that paying member must still be pretty hungry with his 1.5 times res income... -.-

Qwan · 2013-07-10, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by Dreamcast

Like I said League of Legends.

Certs are fair...I see no problem with XP boost.

Resources boost on the other hand...is like Riot giving paying members more gold per second lol.

Actually a sub will take care of the resource thingy, I never buy a resource booster, just xp boost, my subscription takes care of my resources boost. But sometimes if im fighting on a cont were we own very little bases, I burn threw C-4 and mines, and to fix that I go to conts were we own more territory, get more resources per cycle.

EvilNinjadude · 2013-07-10, 08:11 AM

Here's what I see.

u gotta have resources otherwise nothing works just look at that guy he has so many certs and so many resources because he paid and now he's so much better than me and the devs shouldn't make us pay for anything because they said it would be free and now they're making us pay

>Implying this game is Pay2Win

Pay2Win=You have no chance of winning if you don't pay; non-paying members get no access to game-changing things that paying members get.

>Implying we have no other choice, devs force us to pay if we want to be good
No, no, no. You can spend more time playing, get those certs, cert into what you want, get resources, upgrade your tank and do everything Paying players do.

>Implying you need resources to be good
Lol. Get an AV rocket launcher, get one or two buddies, and take down that tank for free. Alternatively use resources to take out a tank twice as expensive as what you used to take them out with.

>"Nonstop camper-killing mines are OP! He gets SO MANY KILLS with them! He gets SO MANY CERTS"

Those kills did nothing to change the outcome of what he was doing. So he gets more certs, so what? He's got a boost too, getting him more certs, XP, resources. That's the point of a boost. He's paying so he can get benefits. They're not game-altering benefits that make him unkillable, or straight up better than you in a firefight. And that example with the tanks is moot because you're not seriously trying to tell me that you wouldn't have repaired your tank by the time he brought his new one?

What I DO agree with is that everything places a lot of focus on resources. Resources get you consumables and vehicles, so it's tough countering vehicles without resources. However in infantry fights resources are almost a non-issue since mines don't capture territory or kill a person twice; so if there's a medic a mine does nothing at all.

Crator · 2013-07-10, 08:28 AM

Did we really need another thread about this? Lets talk about the resource system. Right now, its borderline Pay to Win

I don't consider resources a means to outright WIN at this game. So, did this person in the video outright win the fight at the base due to his overuse of resource items? Perhaps he had more personal kills then the normal guy, but does that mean he won?

raw · 2013-07-10, 08:35 AM

PredatorFour · 2013-07-10, 08:39 AM

Killing people is lame anyway....

Sock · 2013-07-10, 09:56 AM

You're welcome for subsidizing this game for you.
Subs give players more options, they don't make anything inherently better.
That's how F2P games work. Sorry you don't like it. I'd tell you to vote with your wallet and take your money elsewhere, but you seem content to carry on freeloading and whining.

Bocheezu · 2013-07-10, 09:59 AM

As a free player, the only thing I really have to be careful about is C4. I used to fly around as LA and try to hit big packs of MAXes, and a majority of the time I'd drop the C4 and die before detonating. Just a complete waste. I kept buying more and more C4 and suddenly I realized I was out of medkits. Being out of medkits is much, much worse than being out of C4. So free players have to prioritize things; I stopped buying C4 and played medic so I wouldn't need medkits. I view C4 as a luxury item and really only use it if I have to blow up a Sundy or kill a MAX 1v1. I have claymores, but I haven't dropped one of those in months.

Chowley · 2013-07-10, 10:07 AM

I must agree with the OP I came back to PS2 recently after taking a break for a while. All I could think was jesus what have they done to resources. I thought it was suppose to be a game mechanic, not just another way to push you to pay. Its horrible.

The idea of playing in an infantry hex, a lot of people play with platoons, do not have a choice to go to an infantry hex. I dont enjoy playing solo, so to get the resources I would have to play without a platoon and endure huge frustration, thats not good enough.

Artimus · 2013-07-10, 10:12 AM

Well I sub. and I burn through my infantry resources fairly quick, mainly due to anti tank mines, but I still run low consisantly since the resource change. So don't say it's pay2win because everyone is getting the effects since the update.

TermiGR · 2013-07-10, 10:16 AM

Sorry, but this P2W Discussions make me sick! You can gain resources without paying a dime! Yes you can gain them faster if you pay some money -> there has to be a difference between contributers and F2P Players. Otherwise nobody would pay for this game and the game would die after a few months. Stop complaining and pay or Play 4 Free.