After optimization, can we focus everything on metagame please? - Page 3

robocpf1 · 2013-10-10, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Root Hade

What a weird post. You should suggest something tangible, like duplicating Nexus three times just so we can get the continent lattice live asap.

I asked Higby this question at SOE Live, and he said something along the lines of "Yes, we could do that, but it will end up taking around the same amount of time".

If I remember correctly it had something to do with the resource revamp taking precedence, so they either release three Nexuses for the lattice with Hossin with the current resource system or they get the new resource system finished while design artists are working on the other two islands for the lattice. Something like that.

I forget the entire conversation, but the gist of it is that it won't save any time.

Calista · 2013-10-10, 06:49 PM

They have to be getting closed to being done with Desolation by now anyway.

PredatorFour · 2013-10-10, 07:27 PM

After optimisation, i'd rather they fix the parts of the game that are broke.

Rahabib · 2013-10-10, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Tuhljin

Comments like this really make me cringe.

Developers cannot "implement a metagame". That doesn't make any sense. The metagame is the players' job.

Metagame =/= higher-level objectives.

What you're actually asking for are more strategic components and systems.

I am sorry you had to cringe. You are right. Metagame isn't the right term to use. The devs can give us options to pursue deeper more varied avenues that add depth to your choices in game. That's what I meant.

Sledgecrushr · 2013-10-10, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by Rahabib

I am sorry you had to cringe. You are right. Metagame isn't the right term to use. The devs can give us options to pursue deeper more varied avenues that add depth to your choices in game. That's what I meant.

Isnt this what metagame means?

Rahabib · 2013-10-10, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by Sledgecrushr

Isnt this what metagame means?

Depends on who you ask. Metagame is kind of a buzz word to people.

Sledgecrushr · 2013-10-10, 11:27 PM

Theres all different kinds of metagame. Look at what some outfitss are doing with competitive gameplay, now thats chock full of metagame. What we are discussing in this post is the continued introduction of gameplay mechanics that will continue to create a varied and deep gaming experience. This also is metagame.

BlaxicanX · 2013-10-11, 11:34 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagame

Educate yourselves, friends.

Sledgecrushr · 2013-10-11, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by BlaxicanX

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagame

Educate yourselves, friends.

Metagame. I looked at your link and I do believe we are talking about the same thing. I believe that you think new stuff and game mechanics does not equal metgame. This is where your logic is betraying you, because metagame does not devlop in a vaccume. The items and mechanics that we are asking for will create metagame. Because metagame isnt just a new vehicle or game mechanic, its what you do with it and the decisions that you make that is metagame.

Root Hade · 2013-10-11, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by robocpf1

I asked Higby this question at SOE Live, and he said something along the lines of "Yes, we could do that, but it will end up taking around the same amount of time".

If I remember correctly it had something to do with the resource revamp taking precedence, so they either release three Nexuses for the lattice with Hossin with the current resource system or they get the new resource system finished while design artists are working on the other two islands for the lattice. Something like that.

I forget the entire conversation, but the gist of it is that it won't save any time.

What the heck? But... that makes it sound like creating the two other Battle Islands will take a similar amount of time/resources as setting up the Cont Lattice? Surely its not that hard? Is the resource revamp actually really complex with the Battle Islands and resource flow inbetween warpgates or some shit?

Well thanks / good job on asking anyway.

ringring · 2013-10-11, 03:17 PM

So resource revamp before metagame or inter-continental strategy, whatever you want to call it.

We shouldn't be surprised. There has been no desire to do it since way prior to launch and we see it's still isn't priority. 3 continents and 3 3-ways. Great, super.

Now mlg, that's a priority.

Calista · 2013-10-11, 03:34 PM

Higby said yesterday they are pushing hard to get Hossin done before PS2/PS4 launch but didn't indicate a timeframe. Don't recall if he mentioned BI completion though so maybe it will be another TDM map? Who knows.

BlaxicanX · 2013-10-11, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Sledgecrushr

Metagame. I looked at your link and I do believe we are talking about the same thing. I believe that you think new stuff and game mechanics does not equal metgame. This is where your logic is betraying you, because metagame does not devlop in a vaccume. The items and mechanics that we are asking for will create metagame. Because metagame isnt just a new vehicle or game mechanic, its what you do with it and the decisions that you make that is metagame.

You might have me confused with someone else.

typhaon · 2013-10-11, 04:08 PM

Arguing over the word seems silly. I think we all know what we're talking about... more and better things to do.

Definitely a more refined conquest system.

For my part... PS2 feels like it's caught in this murky area where it isn't quite a top shooter... and isn't quite a top global conquest game. It's just kind of mediocre at a few things.

Having said that - maybe ^that game IS generating the income SOE wants - I just don't think it has created a game that is all that special.

ringring · 2013-10-11, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by typhaon

Arguing over the word seems silly. I think we all know what we're talking about... more and better things to do.

Definitely a more refined conquest system.

For my part... PS2 feels like it's caught in this murky area where it isn't quite a top shooter... and isn't quite a top global conquest game. It's just kind of mediocre at a few things.

Having said that - maybe ^that game IS generating the income SOE wants - I just don't think it has created a game that is all that special.

I think you're right, arguing over the meaning of metagame is pedantry. I also think you're right in that ps2 has been a great success and is generating a lot of revenue I just think it is a good game but not a great one.