Exp is too fast! - Page 3

Bodhidharma · 2003-05-22, 12:42 PM

Do you realize just how many companies are reporting "lower than expected profits"? It's just not SOE. It's the state of the market right now.

Him being banned has nothing to do with SOE market price, their PEI, or anything else profit related.

Hamma · 2003-05-22, 01:06 PM

With all due respect, they can do whatever they want to. Its their forums, their game, their rules. Freedom of speech does not apply, if they say something should not be discussed, then it should not be discussed.

Thats one of the many reasons we have these forums, do discuss stuff freely without getting banned.

In short, I don't dissagree with what they did.

kerosene31 · 2003-05-22, 01:09 PM

Bandit - honestly you might want to just give Sony a call and give them a quick "I'm sorry and I won't do it again". I'm not saying they were right or you were wrong, but that is probably the easiest way to get back in the game. Anyway good luck.

Seer · 2003-05-22, 01:17 PM

I have to agree with Hamma on this one. Spork called for discussion to stop in a forum he controlled, and you ignored him. Welcome to banville, that's the way it goes.

BeerJedi · 2003-05-22, 01:20 PM

On the XP deal. If someone is playin' 24-7 (or close to it) stays near all the hotspots and keeps in a large 10 man squad.

He's gonna get that XP. I've noticed you receive XP when your own squad mates die. You get near BR4 just from runnin' the trainers.

You can do ANT runs which give a nice load of XP. I don't think there is an exploit out there (could be) but this is also a game where BR doesn't mean a thing. I'm BR5 now and i'm just as effective as any of my brethern of higher BR. I'm now shootin' down reavers that come near me, i popped three vanguards on foot last night. MAXs should run from me, i've got 30 of 'em already (i didn't see combat until mid BR3 btw).

So, everyone, just breathe.

Now as for SOE reaction to Bandit. I agree with Hamma's statement.

Banditman · 2003-05-22, 01:25 PM

I might not have a problem with it either, provided someone had provided a "if you post again Im going to suspend your account".

However, this was done without warning. I posted EXACTLY three items after the threads started getting locked. THREE. Only one was a "New Post". The others were just responses.

Does this not seem "over the top" to you?

Seer · 2003-05-22, 01:31 PM

Bandit, I can sympathize with you, but the idea that there will be consequences if you continue posting against a forum moderator's wishes is implicit. While it would be nice and polite to say that further posting will result in suspension, I imagine Sporkfire wasn't in a nice and polite mood after you openly questioned his authority.

Mold · 2003-05-22, 01:42 PM

err nm

Chanfan · 2003-05-22, 01:43 PM

Do I like what they did to you? No.

Can they do it? Most certainly, it's their boards / game, and in their user agreements.

Were you over the top? Well, yes and no. I think it's pretty obvious that if they've posted "no more discussion on X topic", that doesn't mean you can continue to discuss it - even if someone else started the thread - just because they haven't been quick enough to lock or delete the thread yet. They warned, and you crossed the line not once, but three times. I'm sure they feel justified.

Others kept doing it and didn't get banned? That's called being unlucky. Just because others are speeding on the freeway doesn't mean you get out of your speeding ticket.

But as I said, do I like it? Not a bit. It galls me, certainly. It flies in the face of the idea of freedom of speech to lock and delete opinions they are tired of, or don't like. But, it's not against the (US) law of freedom of speech - as it's their private property, to do with as they like.

I seem to recall in EQ, that not only were accounts banned for in game exploits, and in Sony forum postings, but for postings on other forums, IIRC.

I recall one case of "slash" fan fiction - that is, some fiction set in EQ posted on a privately run (but publicly accessible) message board. Slash being erotic or pornographic fan fiction. The person who posted it got banned from his EQ account for misusing copyrighted characters (races and gods in EQ). Caused quite a stir at the time.

There were some other EQ bannings that came across as pretty unfair or aggressive. One does have to remember that you generally only hear the banned players side of things, so a dash of skepticism is called for. But, their certainly have been a few that seemed way out of proportion to the crime (such as engaging in behavior you thought was "good tactics" that turns out to be an exploit, and getting perma-banned).

Sony can and will ban folks - they have a history of it. Anyone got any good EQ examples, so folks know what to expect and watch out for?

LesserShade · 2003-05-22, 01:43 PM

I have to side with bandit here. It is one thing to ban someone from the forums because they disobey the wishes of the moderators, but a game ban too?? If that is in fact what happened, it is 100% complete bullshit. This isn't beta anymore, nobody is getting a free ride. Between the game cost and the monthly fees we're going to pay around $200 for the first year. $200 should buy you some level of assurance that you aren't going to get banned from the game in which you are paying too much money for when a dev has a temper tantrum over some forum posts.

Hijinks · 2003-05-22, 01:43 PM

If any of you tards don't think they are cheating, check out the screen shot in the first post of this thread.

http://boards.station.sony.com/ubb/p...ML/000310.html

discussion over.

Chanfan · 2003-05-22, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by Mold
this may be their game, but he did pay for it. That would be like buying a truck and GM taking it away because you made it look ugly, and not giving you your money back.

Hmmm. Perhaps more like buying some left-handed swazzleback golf clubs, that only worked at GiantCo's Golf driving range.

Then going to the their driving range and continually shouting that "GiantCo's golf ball return system SUCKS!", after being told to stop.

Then not being allowed back on their driving ranges, so your left-handed swazzleback clubs are now useless.

Yes, a bit of a stretch, but the software paradigm is a bit odd�

Banditman · 2003-05-22, 02:21 PM

What I *really* have a problem with is being put in the same catagory as someone who steals an account key or uses massive exploits or attempts to hack the game.

That is crap. Look, I could probably swallow it if they just stopped me from posting, thats fine. But I just payed $55 for the game, let alone the upgrades that I bought for my PC that would certainly not have been needed for any other reason.

Once more . . . I didn't cheat, didn't hack, didn't steal. I simply stated an opinion on an open discussion board.

Wanna know what's even better? I did the "Online Chat" thing at station.com . . . here's the chat log, unedited. This conversation took well over an hour and at the end I was "hung up" on by the CSR:

You have been connected to CSR Chris R..
CSR Chris R.: Hello Brian, Thank you for contacting Sony Online Entertainment. One moment please, while I read your question. Thank You!
CSR Chris R.: How may I help you today?
Brian Starks: You did not receive my question?
Brian Starks: Still with me ?
Brian Starks: Chris?
Brian Starks: /me taps microphone
Brian Starks: "Is this thing on?"
CSR Chris R.: what is the problem
Brian Starks: My account has been suspended for some reason and I have no reason why.
CSR Chris R.: what is the station name
Brian Starks: banditman9876 . . . when I initiate chat here, all of this information is asked for . . . do you not receive it?
Brian Starks:

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CSR Chris R.: i do see that you are suspneded...
Brian Starks: and?
CSR Chris R.: I am sorry I do not see that
Brian Starks: So are you telling me I am suspended for "no reason"?
CSR Chris R.: i cannot find any records of that
Brian Starks: Am I being unreasonable in asking for some sort of reason?
Brian Starks: If I am suspended without reason I can only assume this is some sort of error and would like it corrected immediately.
Brian Starks: I have been a station member for quite some time, an EQ subscriber since the day it was released until April of this year.
Brian Starks: I dropped EQ to participate in Planetside, and now I cannot do that?
CSR Chris R.: I am still checking
Brian Starks: Would you prefer to chat on the phone?
Brian Starks: I'll be happy to give you a ring.
CSR Chris R.: I cannot find any info at at all on that
Brian Starks: I understand. I would like the suspension removed.
CSR Chris R.: let me have the account key
Brian Starks: I am not at home, however, I may have access to my home PC, let me check.
CSR Chris R.: well you will need to call in with the account key so I can find the account and investigate further
Brian Starks: It should be registered to my station ID should it not?
CSR Chris R.: yes, you are right but I wont to make sure that account key matches the station name given...
Brian Starks: How about we verify it with CC information instead, since I do have my wallet here?
Brian Starks: Or perhaps I can give you the order numbers or something else out of my station account history.
CSR Chris R.: I need the account key
Brian Starks: May I ask why you need that information as opposed to any other form of verification?
Brian Starks: It seems you simply wish to assure yourself that the person you are chatting with is banditman9876.
CSR Chris R.: that is true
Brian Starks: As I've said, I am at work and do not have access to any of my game items at present. However, I think that there are other means of assuring you that I am who I say I am.
Brian Starks: Perhaps the billing address ?
CSR Chris R.: well you will have to contact us when you have the information that I am requesting
Brian Starks: You seem to be a bit unreasonable . . . have I offended you in some way ?
CSR Chris R.: I need this to look and verify this account
Brian Starks: Can you at least give me a phone number so that when I am at home this won't take an hour ?
CSR Chris R.: 858-537-0898
CSR Chris R.: Ok Brian, Is there anything else I can help you with today?
Brian Starks: I had certainly hoped that you could have utilized some other form of id, since I can provide you with all of the account details except the one you have asked for.
Brian Starks: Who should I ask for at that number ?
Brian Starks: For obvious reasons I want to talk to someone who is familiar with this incident so that it might expedite the clarification of this problem.
Brian Starks: I am waiting ......
CSR Chris R.: yes but I am trying to assist and find out why you are suspended
Brian Starks: I understand, I merely wish to know who to ask for when I call in with the information you requested. For obvious reasons I don't want to go thru the whole thing again.
CSR Chris R.: the account is suspended
Brian Starks: Yes, we agreed on that an hour ago.
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Winged_Nazgul · 2003-05-22, 02:38 PM

What's really impressive about this guy which nobody has mentioned is that he is also CR1. Which means to get the CEPs necessary to advance to CR1, he had to forgo the huge BEP bounties he would've gotten from taking and resecuring bases. In other words, he should be ranked even higher if he didn't also lead a few squads along the way.

Wow, I thought I needed to get a life.

Banditman · 2003-05-22, 02:48 PM

Actually CR1 is pretty easy to get. It only takes 4 or 5 good base caps to get if you are in a 10 man squad.