News: Resolved - PS2 Region - Page 30

Mirror · 2012-02-22, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by Duddy

While not wholly ideal in itself (e.g. I wanted to pay the equivalent of a sub for this game, I'll be damned if I have to do it across 2 accounts though!) this is probably the best compromise for all involved.

I think we just need to wait for their response to our feedback.

I think we will be waiting a while for that. in the mean time we need to use psu, fb, twitter, reddit etc to keep this in SOEs face.

Figment · 2012-02-22, 11:06 AM

http://eq2wire.com/2012/02/22/20-thi...alaplaya-deal/

Some interesting issues brought up by EQ2 players.

Duddy · 2012-02-22, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Mirror

I think we will be waiting a while for that. in the mean time we need to use psu, fb, twitter, reddit etc to keep this in SOEs face.

I certainly didn't mean to say we should drop visibility on the issue, but yes we need to make people aware of the issue. Particularly those that may not read media covering this.

But as opposed to keeping it in SOE's face, the best thing we can do is try to get them to commit to a time frame in which we can expect a response, because then if they don't hold to that then we have due reason to badger them for a response.

Might be tricky getting them to commit to such a thing however!

Vancha · 2012-02-22, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Figment

http://eq2wire.com/2012/02/22/20-thi...alaplaya-deal/

Some interesting issues brought up by EQ2 players.

Another piece of writing that needs to be seen by the powers that be.

Duddy · 2012-02-22, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Vancha

Another piece of writing that needs to be seen by the powers that be.

Indeed, several things I hadn't considered at all in there.

Thanks for sharing that, Figment.

Shamrock · 2012-02-22, 11:22 AM

Have to say im very disappointed. I enjoyed switching between servers, each had their own unique ambiance/play-style. Also the number of outfits that had a mix of US EU players was considerable. I enjoyed logging onto team-speak and hearing accents from all over the world, it was kinda cool that despite being 1000's of miles apart we could work together, laugh, joke and play as a solid team. That was all part of the experience that kept many of of us playing/subscribing from 2003 till today.

I noticed that the German company Pro7Sat.1 is owned by Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, this is an American Private equity firm, hell it's the ORIGINAL private equity firm. These guys are seriously hard-nosed sharks, they leverage up companies and squeeze every cent they can out of them, up the productivity, get the balance sheet looking shiny no matter how hard they have to hammer the employees; and then sell it off for a fat profit to divide up between the small circle of equity partners.

They even made a movie about them "Barbarians at the gate"

Dart · 2012-02-22, 11:24 AM

At the risk of sounding flippant: http://eq2wire.com/2012/02/22/20-thi...alaplaya-deal/

Pro7Sat.1 is known for poorly-supported, security flaw riddled Korean-style browser MMOs. Not only does Pro7Sat.1 have a history of hacked accounts due to poor security, but they’ve done little to resolve the matter. More than a few players have expressed concern at the prospect of dealing with this shady company.

At least the two companies have some common ground!!

For those who haven't already, read that list - some excellent points.

Here are the final two, for anyone wondering what kind of company we're being sold to in Pro7Sat.1

UPDATE: Pro7Sat.1 reserves the right to DELETE accounts and character data (Part 6) after 90 days of inactivity. Will this apply to SOE games?
UPDATE: In violation of German and EU privacy laws, Pro7Sat.1 publishes the real names on accounts which are past-due.

I'm feeling less like I want to play this game by the second.

Mirror · 2012-02-22, 11:35 AM

I want nothing to do with this company and I don't want my details or my account passed to them.

Boomzor · 2012-02-22, 11:36 AM

It doesn't matter how many new players turn up. They would probably turn up anyways. What you should think about is how many more players show up in addition to what you already have.
No matter how you twist and turn it, it'll be less people buying stuff off their e-shop.

Building on what you have is always better than replacing and starting over (unless the core is really rotten but there's no sign of that in regards to multiple region access is there?). It can't be that hard to figure out.

- unless there's some tax/trade regulation thingie underneath all this that makes small transactions stupidly expensive -

Gandhi · 2012-02-22, 11:36 AM

I guess one of the factors behind the region lock is that nobody would willingly associate with Alaplaya if it could be avoided. Regardless of how this plays out I'm not giving these clowns my personal info and I'm certainly not giving them my money.

Figment · 2012-02-22, 11:42 AM

It has been brought up on other forums that new TOS/EULA Anti-Class Action waiver stuff could have something to do with this entire move. ie. to have a seperate TOS/EULA for US and EU players. Thoughts?

Dart · 2012-02-22, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Figment

It has been brought up on other forums that new TOS/EULA Anti-Class Action waiver stuff could have something to do with this entire move. ie. to have a seperate TOS/EULA for US and EU players. Thoughts?

Call me old fashioned but I've got an Anti Class Action solution of my own: produce good games and provide adequate customer support! I know, it's crazy, right?

Figment · 2012-02-22, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Dart

Call me old fashioned but I've got an Anti Class Action solution of my own: produce good games and provide adequate customer support! I know, it's crazy, right?

SOE isn't Sparta! D: That's in Europe! Must be madness.

Mauser101 · 2012-02-22, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Boomzor

- unless there's some tax/trade regulation thingie underneath all this that makes small transactions stupidly expensive -

Collection of VAT may have been one of the issues, though I'd think that SOE would know their way around that mess by now.

GoldDragon · 2012-02-22, 12:06 PM

All I can say is no. I posted on the SOE forum as well and I encourage others to do so.

Region locking the servers will remove a lot of the creative problem solving players experience. When you're fighting people who think like you, it's a lot easier to have stagnant game play where as fighting or playing with people from other regions and cultures brings new ways to thinking to the game. Watch how a Russian player fights verse an American or European or Chinese, and so on.

On top of that, it will tear established communities apart. I know my outfit will lose a few European player if this goes through.