Trayvon Martin

[HalfManHalfGod]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/you-...harged-attack/

can this person sit at the table to talk about racism?

[The Desert Fox]

Originally Posted by HalfManHalfGod

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/you-...harged-attack/

can this person sit at the table to talk about racism?

No one cares, he's white. Now if he was Black, THAT would be news.
Where are the crazy white religious racists to defend him?

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by The Desert Fox

Where are the crazy white religious racists to defend him?

Gaybashing.

[Warborn]

Originally Posted by The Desert Fox

No one cares, he's white. Now if he was Black, THAT would be news.
Where are the crazy white religious racists to defend him?

No one cares except for the police who're investigating the crime, of course, which is kind of different than Trayvon Martin being killed and the police/DA not giving a fuck.

This thread is hilarious by the way. As a white guy myself, I think I'm entitled to say that the other white guys complaining about racism and how being a white guy doesn't do anything for you are fucking retards. Seriously. Your problem isn't that being white and male isn't such a clear and obvious leg-up in life, your problem is that you're too goddamn stupid to realize it.

[The Desert Fox]

Lets take a look again Warborne, A hispanic shoots a black kid in what he caims self defense, and the entire black community nationwide goes into an uproar including major sports teams, congressmen, and our President himself. The black community has taken to the streets and now an innocent white man has already paid the price in retaliation.

A 13 year old white boy is SET ON FIRE for BEING WHITE, and it doesn't make headline news. No congressmen come to his rescue, and you don't see me and my buddies in the street out for revenge, and its hard for the police to do their job when the community refuses to help.

Really believing that because we are white that is gives us a leg up is just as stupid and frankly racist in itself in my opinion. I will admit that some of us are delt better hands then others, but I refuse to accept the idea that the color of someones skin determines how far they can go in their life if they actually work instead of blaming all of life's problems on the color of their skin. Being didn't get me my 2 part time jobs, never got me into to college, sure as hell didn't help me join the military, and I don't believe it helps me raise my family.

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by Warborn

No one cares except for the police who're investigating the crime, of course, which is kind of different than Trayvon Martin being killed and the police/DA not giving a fuck.

This thread is hilarious by the way. As a white guy myself, I think I'm entitled to say that the other white guys complaining about racism and how being a white guy doesn't do anything for you are fucking retards. Seriously. Your problem isn't that being white and male isn't such a clear and obvious leg-up in life, your problem is that you're too goddamn stupid to realize it.

Warborn, you are the fucking idiot. I've lost my job over women who were less qualified, over minorities that never actually did theirs, and even before that I had to tip toe around every non male and/or non white person. Does that sound like privileged male whiteness to you? Maybe where you come from it isn't the same, but you are not fucking qualified to tell me I'm wrong.

[The Desert Fox]

Originally Posted by Sobekeus

Warborn, you are the fucking idiot. I've lost my job over women who were less qualified, over minorities that never actually did theirs, and even before that I had to tip toe around every non male and/or non white person. Does that sound like privileged male whiteness to you? Maybe where you come from it isn't the same, but you are not fucking qualified to tell me I'm wrong.

Thank you Sobekeus, i had not even touched on the fact theres no affermative action to garuntee so many of us white males a job. But what do i know being a white male my life is cake.

[Warborn]

Originally Posted by Sobekeus

Warborn, you are the fucking idiot. I've lost my job over women who were less qualified, over minorities that never actually did theirs, and even before that I had to tip toe around every non male and/or non white person. Does that sound like privileged male whiteness to you? Maybe where you come from it isn't the same, but you are not fucking qualified to tell me I'm wrong.

Yeah, I am qualified to tell you you're wrong. Look at the statistics. Who gives a fuck where I'm from, it's on the Internet you muppet. The group which has the best social mobility and every statistic going in their favour is white men. Yeah, boo hoo, maybe one time something didn't go your way and affirmative action or something reared its head. Cry about it. Shit like that exists because white guys have such an advantage that there need to be rules like that to avoid the workplace from being almost completely staffed and run by white men.

This forum is honestly so funny. It's like Free Republic took a dump and it landed on PSU. I've never seen such a collection of crazy, ignorant, right-wing, racist shitheads.

[Warborn]

Originally Posted by The Desert Fox

Lets take a look again Warborne, A hispanic shoots a black kid in what he caims self defense, and the entire black community nationwide goes into an uproar including major sports teams, congressmen, and our President himself. The black community has taken to the streets and now an innocent white man has already paid the price in retaliation.

A 13 year old white boy is SET ON FIRE for BEING WHITE, and it doesn't make headline news. No congressmen come to his rescue, and you don't see me and my buddies in the street out for revenge, and its hard for the police to do their job when the community refuses to help.

Hurf durf, lets take a look at it again. An unarmed kid committing no crime is shot and the police let the shooter go and no real investigation is done. Versus, a kid is attackers and the police are investigating. Can you spot the difference? It's funny, because you racists have been posting stuff like this for much of the thread. The difference is that nothing was being done in the case of Trayvon Martin. In this kid set on fire's case, and many others, the police were actively pursuing it with the intent of charging someone and seeing them prosecuted. It's a big difference and it's why these stupid comparisons miss the entire point.

[The Desert Fox]

Originally Posted by Warborn

Hurf durf, lets take a look at it again. An unarmed kid committing no crime is shot and the police let the shooter go and no real investigation is done. Versus, a kid is attackers and the police are investigating. Can you spot the difference? It's funny, because you racists have been posting stuff like this for much of the thread. The difference is that nothing was being done in the case of Trayvon Martin. In this kid set on fire's case, and many others, the police were actively pursuing it with the intent of charging someone and seeing them prosecuted. It's a big difference and it's why these stupid comparisons miss the entire point.

Not only are you ignoring the point we are trying to make entirely, your argument is based all on assumptions. In the case against the Zman, stop acting like you where there because you weren't, none of us where. If the evidence points towards self defense or racism, then thats what it was but stop acting like you know what everyones doing. This is a story that has gained international attention, and its obvious that somethings being done. If you look into how the story originally unfolded then the police did exactly what they were supposed to imo. In the case of a 13 year old being set on fire, all we got is the police are looking into it, no national outcry or attention, no one cares because he's white. I promise you if white people also lost their shit over everything that could possibly be attributed to racism, then SOMETHING WOULD BE DONE.

Edit: We know for a FACT Trayvon committed one crime, it's called "Assault"

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by Warborn

Yeah, I am qualified to tell you you're wrong.

List them.

Look at the statistics. Who gives a fuck where I'm from, it's on the Internet you muppet.

Oh yeah, I forgot every place on Earth was statistically identical.

The group which has the best social mobility and every statistic going in their favour is white men.

Which statistics are you using for that conclusion?

Yeah, boo hoo, maybe one time something didn't go your way and affirmative action or something reared its head. Cry about it. Shit like that exists because white guys have such an advantage that there need to be rules like that to avoid the workplace from being almost completely staffed and run by white men.

You sound like a Democrat.

I've never seen such a collection of crazy, ignorant, right-wing, racist shitheads.

I'm not crazy, though I may be slightly insane.

I'm certainly not ignorant.

Right-wing? No, I'm pretty center on average.

Racist? I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm the least racist person you will ever meet.

[Figment]

Actually, you're both right, from the perspective you're both looking at it.

Warborn is correct in that the circumstances are different, there's not a law active there that may dismiss charges based on word against word and stop any police investigation just because the assaillants made a certain claim.

On the other hand the other group is right that it did not reach the same headlines even if it did make the news, though I will disagree with those who say that this is not because it's black on white racism and that that's considered as less bad or non-existent.

The difference is that in the second case:

- There's no active and organised lobby group to fight racism against whites, as there has been and is traditionally very little structural need for it.
- There's no real controversy between groups of differing opinions: pretty much everyone will agree this is racism and that the black boys in question should be severely punished for their actions.

Another thing brought up in this thread regarding women (and minorities) is "positive-discrimination". A selection will always be made when people apply to a company and the problem here is that there is such a thing as a first impression and "is-like-me" cognitive process, as well as some other categorization processes that can make you like or dislike a person more or less - this includes finding them qualified for a job.
With "positive discrimination", it is for instance a goal (often set by an external authority like a government or under pressure of an activist group of some kind) to have a certain percentage of workers, management or whatever of a certain ethnicity or gender.

This is discriminating against the opposite not based on suitability, but on superficial qualities. The irony is that this imposes the exact type of discrimination it is supposed to eleviate, just shifts what group of people suffer from it.

When we talk about the advantage of being white, then you should realise that you're in a culture where the majority of dominant positions, the people that have to approve your positioning will sooner find you suitable for the job based on things like shared superficial properties.

From a job-getting perspective, the discrimination starts there and is very real. Imagine this fantasy sample: if you apply with a headhunter who is a goth and the remainder of the company is full of goths and like minded people and they need a new IT specialist and they have a choice between you (steampunk) and another goth, your resumes are almost the same and they don't really know which one of you is better...

Who would they pick? Someone that is more likely to fit in with the "culture" of the company. It's a very natural process and the problem a lot of ethnic minorities face (more so 40 years ago than today though, since there is now often such a thing as "precedences") is how to fit in with the local, company culture in order to get a job. Now, in that sense it's true that a lot of sub-cultures aren't really helping themselves. They are often prejudiced that they won't find a job, but often they also won't adapt to increase their chances of getting picked - and then to remain fitting in.

Quite often, their social context (their sub-culture in particular) holds them back. If you have the option to hire someone who acts, talks and looks like a gangsta rapper and someone else, you're simply not as likely to hire the gangsta sub-culture dude and 'random 'normal' dude'... then you are to hire the other guy that looks more "trustworthy" because you have certain expectations about the two.


Could be you're completely wrong. Still discriminating based on superficialities. It's just something that happens and can only be fought by being made aware of this sort of selection process taking place. Both the person recruiting and the person trying to be recruited should be aware of this though. What Quovatis and others also are refering to is that the latter is often not aware of this (may not even WANT to be aware of this) and places all blame with the other person.

This is just an example btw of light discrimination. It's not as much racism though, it's simply applying stereotypes.




And that brings us right back to Zimmerman. He did apply a stereotype. Justifiably or not, that's the question. Motive or not, also a question, though I'd say highly unlikely (this is the point of contention and interpretation for lobbygroups though).

In the case of the boy who got set on fire, these sort of questions and controversies do not exist as they are all very clear and answered. And in that case it's simply a tragedy that leads to little debate, even if it should lead to some serious debate on whether or not this type of racism is growing and what the source is.

[BuzzCutPsycho]

I find it amusing that people actually care about being called a racist.

[ItsTheSheppy]

Originally Posted by BuzzCutPsycho

I find it amusing that people actually care about being called a racist.

The drive to not be viewed as a social pariah is a strong evolutionary trait. It's hard for genes to be passed on, if those genes are riding in the body of someone everyone else thinks is an unlikable asshole. Deep down we all want to be accepted, so we can be fruitful members of the tribe and pass on genes. Very few of us actually desire to be friendless misanthropes.

Racism is socially unacceptable in wide portions of our modern society, so people don't want to be viewed as such because of, well, everything I said above.

Some people, of course, don't care. Much like how birth defects do happen and people can be born without arms, legs, eyes and so forth, personality defects do manifest as well. It's not a perfect system and from time to time examples arise that are 'broken'. There's a few of them in this thread, for example.

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by BuzzCutPsycho

I find it amusing that people actually care about being called a racist.

I have zero tolerance for racism of any kind.