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2013-03-02, 06:53 AM | [Ignore Me] #526 | |||
LOL? Someone's been listening to Jamie Foxx too much. The Constitution was written to control slavery? Son the Constitution was written at a time when blacks were savages not considered human by most people and the founders had the audacity to set in place the end of Slavery because most of them were far wiser then their contemporaries.
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2013-03-02, 07:29 AM | [Ignore Me] #528 | ||
Oh but you do, you really do. You need people in your life who do not share your views on certain issues, to ask/make questions/statements that you don't want asked/made. In other words, in order for there to be a debate there needs to be someone who has taken up a contrary position to your own. And thank you
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2013-03-02, 03:08 PM | [Ignore Me] #529 | ||
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Came across a video of great speech at a small pro 2nd amendment rally, that I thought I'd share.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=05AHr89rnTA Says the guy that proved himself a fool with his response to photo of a particular shooting incident that I bet he has still yet to bother figuring out any factual details. I knew Figment had an axe to grind, but didn't expect him to so blindly walk into that one, but when you're that closed minded I guess that's what happens. The comments about clips and shells was of course just bonus laughs. Last edited by Helwyr; 2013-03-02 at 03:10 PM. |
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2013-03-02, 03:16 PM | [Ignore Me] #530 | ||
Now who is the one trolling, eh?
At this point I don't see much reason to allow this thread to continue, if all we're going to be doing is insult each other.
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2013-03-02, 04:45 PM | [Ignore Me] #531 | |||
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Yes it's true I posted a photo of gun violence without posting the details surrounding it intentionally to elicit a foolish response from you guys, and Figment grabbed onto the bait like fish driven mad with hunger. You may call that trolling, but I say it proved my point that your side is not interested in facts or the truth. I bet at the time of reading this sentence you still didn't know that the shooters were agents of government in the form of the LAPD and the victims where an innocent mother and daughter delivering news papers. So, by all means lock the thread as sadly the only exchange that actually occurs is insults, everything else hits a brick wall of self imposed ignorance. |
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2013-03-03, 05:59 PM | [Ignore Me] #533 | |||
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Who?
If they wanted to abolish it and end slavery, they'd set the example and set them free. Do note I said it was amended to protect slavery for the southern states, who would otherwise not have recognised the constitution. (Note, just realised the word "then" should have been in the line Baneblade quoted me on, between written and amended). Last edited by Figment; 2013-03-03 at 06:27 PM. |
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2013-03-03, 06:04 PM | [Ignore Me] #534 | ||
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Helwyr, when you've learned dutch I'll PM you some. Not sure if you can comprehend this, but "we don't actually write or speak english in our press", we subtitle, yes. But the narratives are in dutch. It's not like you could understand that.
What the hell are you going to do with any link I provide you with? Babbelfish it? Don't be an idiot and pretend I refused to give you any. I'm not going waste time to provide you with sources you can't use and thus won't read or comprehend anyway! I don't care what the context of that image is. And I don't think you understand I DID NOT take the bait. I asked you a couple very simple questions, which you haven't answered: the most important one, what gun would have protected the occupants? And this one is now followed up by several others: 1. Why do you think a mom would have had a shoot out with cops? 2. Why would you ever assume having a gun would have given her a chance to have won? 3. Why do you consider police violence to be part of a governmental conspiracy rather than an incident? (And yes, strings of independent incidents occur, this doesn't make it policy, accepted or wanted - ie. this has nothing to do with tyranny). 4. Why do you think cops in the USA are so damn triggerhappy? (hint: might they expect criminals and suspects to have concealed weapons, making them more prone to pre-emptive aggression in decapacitating someone as a form of self-defense? Kinda like how US military has a policy at checkpoints to fire at vehicles that don't obey their orders to stop in fear of suicide attacks?) 5. Why didn't they follow protocol, or did the woman not follow any police orders to prevent violence? 6. Would you presume we'd say government officials aren't humans? (Thus not prone to stress, mistakes, accidents, abusive violence, etc. nor to be held responsible?) You think you made a point that we always presume it's gun violence from non-government sources and yes of course it'll be the first thing on your mind. But as far as I know we HAVE NEVER CLAIMED that government employees aren't capable of misplaced violence, murder or whatever else. So you haven't really made any point with it. Don't flatter yourself so much. Last edited by Figment; 2013-03-03 at 06:29 PM. |
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2013-03-03, 09:24 PM | [Ignore Me] #536 | ||
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From the perspective of a gun free country.
Allowing everyone access to a means to kill each other is not the way to have a healthy community. The same way allowing every country in the world to have nuclear weapons is a retarded idea. You can bang on about how 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people' which is another stupid thing to say. Obviously people kill people, but giving them an easier way to do it by providing everyone access to a firearm isn't the way to stop it. Having said that, I can understand that if you're living down a dirt track in the middle of nowhere, 40 mins from the nearest town. You'd probably want a gun. However, all these degenerates walking around town, open carrying weapons who just spout 'ITS MY RIGHT BRO', need to be put down. |
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2013-03-04, 03:46 AM | [Ignore Me] #538 | |||
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A healthy community is built on family, voluntary exchange, respect, and human empathy. Last edited by Helwyr; 2013-03-04 at 05:06 AM. |
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2013-03-04, 08:58 AM | [Ignore Me] #539 | ||
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Helwyr, ffs, you could kill someone with a sock if you want to make that argument.
But that doesn't mean you should just give everyone much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much easier ways of killing. Don't make up idiot excuses you can't ever even believe in yourself. Using a gun lethally or say a sock or a pen or even a heavy blunt instrument has considerably difference efficiency ratings for murder. Please tell me that if everything can be used for murders, why the predominantly used weapon would be a gun. Hell, if you don't need a gun to kill, because you're so bloody efficient with all those "means to kill each other all around us", why the fuck would you even need a gun to defend yourself? Clearly you can just throw socks at your government to protect yourself from its tyranny. Don't act a bloody retard, nor too lazy to come up with an actual good argument, neither of us is that stupid. Last edited by Figment; 2013-03-04 at 10:21 AM. |
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2013-03-04, 09:20 AM | [Ignore Me] #540 | ||||
Once again your baseless assumption would be false. The LAPD is well known for being guilty of corruption, racism, police brutality and using excessive force. All of which came up again in their most recent escapade with Dorner. I don't deny facts nor ignore them. Does that change my views? No, it doesn't. I still don't believe that it's either a good idea nor a right to have military grade firearms. I also don't believe that any police officer or public official should ever be allowed to act out against the people they serve. That however isn't something which can be fixed by use of firearms or the threat to use said firearms. "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." Something it seems that the USA, among other countries, has somewhat forgottenAre you still going to profess that I am unaware of how the world works, if only in what limited way that I can? So can we at the very least agree about being civil in any further discussions? If for nothing else than appearance only, as a show of good faith I shall endeavour to do so from now on. Nor is that what the debate and consequently the gun restriction should be about. It's not in anyone's power to stop people from killing other people, what can be done is minimize what kind of killing takes place and to which degree.
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