News: Death is No Excuse Full Length Trailer - Page 36

ArmedZealot · 2012-07-26, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by TheDrone

My god. This is insane. I really, really, really, really like Planetside and I love Higby, and I want to have babies with his hair. I have 97 TR tattoes and one of the other two factions for good measure.

But I'm not so blinded that I can't see that trailer was downright BAD.

Seriously, be HONEST (like, don't lie to yourself) and look at other trailers.

I chose those for good reason, BTW. All of them prove it's possible to make a good trailer with limitations in this or that department.

Yeah, no you don't.

The trailer did everything it was supposed to. Showed the scale of the game, brought some light to the lore (PS's lore is shitty, can't really knock them for doing with what they had), and showed the dreams of a hero on the battlefield (Not that this is what actually happens, but it is what noobs and the customers want to happen, everyone wants to be a badass and a hero).

What is the problem here? That it didn't have enough CGI for you? The whole damn thing was CGI.

ArcGuard · 2012-07-26, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Xyntech

My favorite part is where you posted this on the previous page, didn't get enough of a response, so decided to post it again on this page

Hah. I think that's because they merged two threads. I guess he Copy pasta'd it in two threads.

Reizod · 2012-07-26, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by TheDrone

My god. This is insane. I really, really, really, really like Planetside and I love Higby, and I want to have babies with his hair. I have 97 TR tattoes and one of the other two factions for good measure.

But I'm not so blinded that I can't see that trailer was downright BAD.

Seriously, be HONEST (like, don't lie to yourself) and look at other trailers.

I chose those for good reason, BTW. All of them prove it's possible to make a good trailer with limitations in this or that department.

I am being HONEST... my hype and expectation meter is not as high as yours for a super duper uber trailer for PS2 to be on par or better than some OTHER games'. If you are HONEST with yourself, you would realize you need to stop being so damn tight.

And if you was HONEST with yourself, you wouldn't say the trailer was "downright BAD"... as I'm sure I can show you some trailers that truly are. And you would be like... wow towards the PS2 trailer compared to those.

So, just...

and enjoy what they did in the first place!

Temperance · 2012-07-26, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Memeotis

And now that I've been informed at this is merely pt.1 of 3, each going to showcase a specific faction, this point is irrelevant. So ignore it.

Seriously...source???

TheDrone · 2012-07-26, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by ArcGuard

Oh no! Tragic loss. Tragic.

But seriously "criticism" is not going "This sucks! This is stupid! Why couldn't it have been made like a carbon copy of these (Which I totally like way better, so obviously everyone else does)!? This sucks!"

Edit: Suddenly we're on page 35! Yay thread mergers!

I'm honestly very appreciative of your attempts at a constructive and insightful critique of my comment, but why not do as I did, and, I dunno... source what you say? Put a little thought into it?

I'm not suggesting a carbon copy. That's why I posted a wide range of trailers from a few studios and a few game genres.

I actually tell you why some parts of the trailer are bad and where obviously corners were cut.

Originally Posted by Blackwolf

I really think people miss the point of trailers completely.

It's a cinematic movie more or less a "day in the life of this guy" kind of set up. It's meant to attract attention and gauge drool value, not blare out "hey this is what we do!". The Hope trailer featured a whole lot of troopers and sith, very few of the other classes though. This didn't tell the community "this game will be all about troopers and sith".

Settle down people.

I'm a huge fan of trailers and cinematic game trailers. That's why I know this was a bad one.

Originally Posted by ArmedZealot

If you are gunna dish it out be prepared to get served some as well.

Shit was good yo.

I did not get served as none of my points have been refuted.

"Shit was good yo." Only serves to degrades the IX of the people who read that sentence.

Originally Posted by ArcGuard

I saw the trailer and said to myself "Hey, that was a pretty fine trailer. I bet other people who aren't into planetside yet would love to see this"

And as such, it was VERY successful.

Why? It didn't involve anything that made it stand out from other games/trailers.

Originally Posted by Xyntech

My favorite part is where you posted this on the previous page, didn't get enough of a response, so decided to post it again on this page

Well, contrary to some I like to see some constructive criticisms of my opinion. I guess I don't have the stamina for a massive circlejerk.

Originally Posted by Rivenshield

/shrug

Planetside is a cult unto itself, for anyone who ever played it. We're the FPS answer to Trekkies. We're going to put everything under a microscope and yell about it endlessly. That's a given.

That said: The teaser promised us a peek at THE REBELS! THE PROFESSIONALS! THE VISIONARIES! The second half -- or even the last third -- of that damn thing should have had the smurf getting shot up by a coordinated Terran squad, who proceed to cover each other and take on the pod-dropping NC and bark out military-sounding radio chatter to each other until the sole survivor gets shanked by the Vanu ninja chicks and we see the incoming purple horde. That would have been fine. Three sides. Rock paper scissors weaponry. You embed that concept seamlessly into the narrative.

And then we see the NC narrator appear back in his spawn tube and hear him grind out something like "THEN WE GO OUT AND DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN." Respawning isn't a gaming mechanic handwave in PS; it's part of the setting. It's lore. They failed to show that. It would have been easy to embed *that* into the narrative. It would have only taken a few seconds. I was EXPECTING super-smurf to dissolve into the ground and respawn. Why didn't he?

Now that would still have been smurf-centric as hell, but everybody would have had their little FUCK YEAH GO US moment. It would have planted the seeds of the ideas of what makes each faction different and how the game itself works. The TEASER had that quality, for Christ's fucking sake!

The gameplay trailer had it. This didn't.

All I took from it was the small thrill of seeing in-game vehicles and equipment and the knowledge that SOE is willing to put some serious advertising bucks into this venture. But even as an ad, it falls halfway flat. My butthurt as a tech pubs guy goes way beyond the TR getting no air time except as incompetent cannon fodder. There's so much wasted potential here.

Ah well. We'll always have the teaser. And the game itself, natch.

You make a few amazingly well put points that I hadn't even thought of. Congratulations for your amazing contribution to this discussion. (no sarcasm)

Originally Posted by ArmedZealot

Yeah, no you don't.

The trailer did everything it was supposed to. Showed the scale of the game, brought some light to the lore (PS's lore is shitty, can't really knock them for doing with what they had), and showed the dreams of a hero on the battlefield (Not that this is what actually happens, but it is what noobs and the customers want to happen, everyone wants to be a badass and a hero).

What is the problem here? That it didn't have enough CGI for you? The whole damn thing was CGI.

No it did not do what it was supposed to. It did not tell a story. It told a very much lobotomized story that was obviously cut short to save costs.
It did not show any exceptional scale. Look at those trailers of the games I posted. Those aren't games with scale. Yet they showcase a lot more scale (and some do it with very limited means, interestingly) than the PS2 CGI trailer does.
Assuming everyone wants to be a badass is ignoring the strong point of PS2, which also happens to attract hordes of interested players from the BF series, is teamwork which was sorely under-lit in this trailer.

Did I ever say they didn't have enough CGI? Did I ever? At any point? Stop making up what I said.

Originally Posted by Reizod

I am being HONEST... my hype and expectation meter is not as high as yours for a super duper uber trailer for PS2 to be on par or better than some OTHER games'. If you are HONEST with yourself, you would realize you need to stop being so damn tight.

And if you was HONEST with yourself, you wouldn't say the trailer was "downright BAD"... as I'm sure I can show you some trailers that truly are. And you would be like... wow towards the PS2 trailer compared to those.

So, just...

and enjoy what they did in the first place!

It was BAD. Look at all those CGI trailers, a few of which came from the same studio and one of which came from SOE (and the same studio).

For the level of money involved, for the studio involved, for the fact that this is an AAA title, this is a really bad trailer.

It does not have anything special. At all.

earlydeath · 2012-07-26, 04:21 PM

this was absolutely amazing i loved it i could def watch a movie about planetside loved the entire thing especially the ending! go vs! that poor nc commander tho or whatever :/

HenchAnt · 2012-07-26, 04:24 PM

I think its a very solid trailer, I liked it.

The "story" reminded me a bit of the Dawn of War Trailer, and the jumping from airplane to airplane was a bit over the top for me.

And yes, the trailer doesn't really showcase squad level teamplay.

But it's technically well done, well narrated. And with a project this big, I can't blame Sony to play it save.

And the trailer manages to showcase three important facts:
- Massive battles. This will be even more impressive once players learn that there are no NPC. While huge armies are nothing special to Planetside trailer, it gets special once the "all this are players" aspect sinks in.
- Infantry matters. Even against Airplanes. They could have gone the easy way and show have some airplanes saving the day by mopping everything up as the climax of the trailer. They didn't. They showed infantry getting to a strategical advantageous position to get in more infantry.

On a more sublte note:
The trailer shows an NC outfit slicing through the TR Zerg only to be stopped cold by a VS empire raid.

The trailer doesn't busy itself with showcasing the usual stuff (this are our classes, this are our vehicles), but cuts to the "this are ways to play our massive game" part. All presented with lots of action and explosions, of course.

RageMasterUK · 2012-07-26, 04:25 PM

I thought the trailer pwned...

I dont see a newly released trailer and think "OMG Im gonna compare it to seven other trailers". I do all my 'feeling' while Im watching. Even if the first-contact viewers get misunderstandings about gameplay I DGAF. They will search for gameplay footage unless they want to pre-judge the game from an FMV like idiots, theres plenty of that to find on youtube already. And none of the games are like the FMVs you posted. Its called ARTISTIC REPRESENTATION, which is what FMV is all about.

It worked for the purpose intended... makes people say "Planetside 2" a whole lot more in the future.

Take TheDrone for instance, it drummed up enough hype for him to go searching out other trailers and writing two massive posts about it here. Your interest just got DRIVEN lol. Mine too, evidently

-RageMasterUK

ArmedZealot · 2012-07-26, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by TheDrone

No it did not do what it was supposed to. It did not tell a story. It told a very much lobotomized story that was obviously cut short to save costs.

PS's story is lobotomized to start with...

Smurfs killing Barneys killing Elmos. Repeat. The trailer could have been a crazed episode of Sesame street and done as good of a job of reflecting the lore of PS.

Originally Posted by TheDrone

It did not show any exceptional scale. Look at those trailers of the games I posted.

My bad. I must have missed the gazillion Vanu at the end, and the Drop Pods, the galaxies that "Chief" climbed over like a boss, and the hordes of dudes he jumped through at the beginning.

Originally Posted by TheDrone

Assuming everyone wants to be a badass is ignoring the strong point of PS2, which also happens to attract hordes of interested players from the BF series, is teamwork which was sorely under-lit in this trailer.

Fair point, but it really doesn't take away from the trailer too much. And again, none of the trailers, especially for TOR accurately showed what was going to happen in the game...

Not to mention that PS is upheld by the zerg, who ignore teamplay and outfits. This trailer appeals to them mostly.

Originally Posted by TheDrone

Did I ever say they didn't have enough CGI? Did I ever? At any point? Stop making up what I said.

Originally Posted by TheDrone

Very, very few effects. Very few animated models, a lot of statics actually.
Big-ass galaxies used to reduce render time by blocking the most part of the screen.

Im taking this to mean more CGI...

Memeotis · 2012-07-26, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by TheDrone

I'm suddenly not as motivated anymore as criticism isn't welcome, apparently.

You'll get used to it.

It's okay if you criticize something about and suggest a few tweaks, but if you ever say that something about a game is downright bad, people tend to instantly assume that you hate the entire game. They therefore skim through your post, sticking to their assumption; thinking they know exactly what you're going to say, and then they take a part and reply to it out of context.

Don't take it personally, I know I don't. I'm planning to become a sociologist, so I actually find it kind of interesting.

I experienced it on the dust 514 beta forums too, where when I'd come up with gameplay ideas people were like 'omg how did you come up with that?!', but then when you wrote strong critique they think you're either dumb, a bad player, or a troll.

Steambot · 2012-07-26, 04:46 PM

I think everyone is getting way to caught up in this, personally.

I thought the trailer kicked ass, and that's really all there is to say about it. I am not an expert on game trailers, but I know when I like something.

I've watched that thing three times today, and three times I thought it was awesome.

This argument is getting out of hand.

Deadeye · 2012-07-26, 04:46 PM

I did notice he was hunkered down with a medic treating someone when he hid behind that rock for a couple seconds. Does that count as showing teamplay?

The trailer was fine, guys. If people want more information, they'll look up the other trailers. Only the idiots we don't care about are going to go on this one trailer for anything.

I wonder about one thing though: Is there going to be a drop pod beacon in the game?

TheDrone · 2012-07-26, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by HenchAnt

I think its a very solid trailer, I liked it.

The "story" reminded me a bit of the Dawn of War Trailer, and the jumping from airplane to airplane was a bit over the top for me.

And yes, the trailer doesn't really showcase squad level teamplay.

But it's technically well done, well narrated. And with a project this big, I can't blame Sony to play it save.

And the trailer manages to showcase three important facts:
- Massive battles. This will be even more impressive once players learn that there are no NPC. While huge armies are nothing special to Planetside trailer, it gets special once the "all this are players" aspect sinks in.
- Infantry matters. Even against Airplanes. They could have gone the easy way and show have some airplanes saving the day by mopping everything up as the climax of the trailer. They didn't. They showed infantry getting to a strategical advantageous position to get in more infantry.

On a more sublte note:
The trailer shows an NC outfit slicing through the TR Zerg only to be stopped cold by a VS empire raid.

The trailer doesn't busy itself with showcasing the usual stuff (this are our classes, this are our vehicles), but cuts to the "this are ways to play our massive game" part. All presented with lots of action and explosions, of course.

It's not clear at all "massive battles" are PS2's thing.
Look at the trailers I posted. None of those have massive battles as a gameplay mechanic, yet some of them feature massive battles.
It's a pretty common trope to get the epic effect in trailers.
PS2 should've tried to stand out in a different way.

The impression it gave is "woah that guy is overpowered". They could've framed that with some context. Made it look less effortless. More human. But that would've dragged the trailer out.

Lots of explosions? Lots of actions? I disagree.

Originally Posted by RageMasterUK

I thought the trailer pwned...

I dont see a newly released trailer and think "OMG Im gonna compare it to seven other trailers". I do all my 'feeling' while Im watching. Even if the first-contact viewers get misunderstandings about gameplay I DGAF. They will search for gameplay footage unless they want to pre-judge the game from an FMV like idiots, theres plenty of that to find on youtube already. And none of the games are like the FMVs you posted. Its called ARTISTIC REPRESENTATION, which is what FMV is all about.

It worked for the purpose intended... makes people say "Planetside 2" a whole lot more in the future.

Take TheDrone for instance, it drummed up enough hype for him to go searching out other trailers and writing two massive posts about it here. Your interest just got DRIVEN lol. Mine too, evidently

-RageMasterUK

I do admit I'm being a bit weird by using my brain. I've been diagnosed with "Brain Use". It's a rare disorder, which can be compared by for example using one's pancreas, since, as we all know, the brain is an unused organ by humans.
Currently there is no real cure for my condition, which is a shame as it has some effects such as a deep unhappiness and a profound alienation from people.
On occasion it also causes me to use my brain while watching a trailer.

As I've said a few times in the past, I understand completely that a cinematic trailer requires a healthy dose of artistic licence.
But it should still convey SOMETHING of the game. The atmosphere propagated by the combination of the story and gameplay.

There is literally nothing that makes PS2 seem special in that trailer. Nothing at all.
It's incredibly generic and people who don't already know PS2 are sure to have forgotten about it soon.

BTW, this was, by definition, NOT an FMV.
Show how much you know.

Oh and I didn't get motivated to look up trailers because of the PS2 trailer. I know my trailers.

Originally Posted by ArmedZealot

PS's story is lobotomized to start with...

Smurfs killing Barneys killing Elmos. Repeat. The trailer could have been a crazed episode of Sesame street and done a better job of reflecting the lore of PS.

It's actually surprisingly rich for an FPS. Look into the lore.
And not only that, there is the fact that faction loyalty which, contrary to many if not most games, actually WORKS in PS2. That's why they've been drumming that up so much.

And I'm talking about the story of the trailer. That's REALLY important in a cinematic trailer.

Originally Posted by ArmedZealot

My bad. I must have missed the gazillion Vanu at the end, and the Drop Pods, the galaxies that "Chief" climbed over like a boss, and the hordes of dudes he jumped through at the beginning.

I'm talking exceptional scale.

And even then, huge scale battles are so commonly used in cinematic trailers to convey a sense of epicness that it's doubtful that it could be easily communicated PS2 is special in this regard. It didn't work in this trailer.

Originally Posted by ArmedZealot

Fair point, but it really doesn't take away from the trailer too much. And again, none of the trailers, especially for TOR accurately showed what was going to happen in the game...

Not to mention that PS is upheld by the zerg, who ignore teamplay and outfits. This trailer appeals to them mostly.

I'm not saying the trailer should've literally showed what was to happen in the trailer. If you look my comment history it's obvious I know very well what a trailer is supposed to do.

But it should at least convey SOMETHING of what is unique about the game.

Im taking this to mean more CGI...

Nope. I'm guessing you're not familiar as to how to use the terminology.

I'm not talking about adding more computer generated images. I'm talking about different ones. Or at the very least better ones. But preferably different.

Originally Posted by Memeotis

You'll get used to it.

It's okay if you criticize something about and suggest a few tweaks, but if you ever say that something about a game is downright bad, people tend to instantly assume that you hate the entire game. They therefore skim through your post, sticking to their assumption; thinking they know exactly what you're going to say, and then they take a part and reply to it out of context.

Don't take it personally, I know I don't. I'm planning to become a sociologist, so I actually find it kind of interesting.

I experienced it on the dust 514 beta forums too, where when I'd come up with gameplay ideas people were like 'omg how did you come up with that?!', but then when you wrote strong critique they think you're either dumb, a bad player, or a troll.

Thanks for the nice post.

You find it interesting because you're a sociologist. I find it very tiring and I almost wish I were a murderous sociopath. Maybe that would make living a little easier, perhaps.

In a sense I'm sure it's me tho.

The crazy thing is that I'm not criticizing the game, but just a trailer.

rhilir · 2012-07-26, 04:48 PM

great video. Ended the way it show with vs comming in force.

HenchAnt · 2012-07-26, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by ArmedZealot

Fair point, but it really doesn't take away from the trailer too much.

Especially since it showed a suicide mission of light assaults rushing through the enemy Zerg, with the goal to call down the heavy assault to cut the enemy main zerg of from the warp gate. Sounds very Planetside2 to me.

The trailer has quite a "Die fighting for your faction" theme going on. So its less about owning, and more like "you win some, you lose some". But with non-stop action, in a fight of epic proportions - or so the trailer promises.
That's fine with me.
(I liked it a lot more than that inane Assassin Creeds 3 trailer.)