News: Resolved - PS2 Region - Page 37

ThGlump · 2012-02-22, 04:28 PM

Good atleast some hope. I would really like being able to play on EU servers under SOE rule/with SOE account, but US servers will suffice.

Dart · 2012-02-22, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Vash02

Could people please stfu about the contract when they dont know a single thing about it?

I really don't think I've said anything that isn't immediately obvious. This contract was signed at least 6 weeks ago, when it was first announced - complete with joint press release. Considering the large number of games and the number of gamers involved it is clearly a multi-million dollar deal and judging by the tone of Pro7's rhetoric about becoming a major European digital powerhouse, I find it hard to believe their looking at this as a short-term (matter of months) arrangement.

In which case I'm not sure which inference you're upset with. Unless you'd prefer we all stick our heads in the sand over this and pretend it's not happening? Or maybe we should wait until SOE and Pro7's jointly release the details of their agreement before we presume to discuss the matter, which I believe will be done, via press release on the 27th of Never.

Dart · 2012-02-22, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Raymac

Minor update, though it's not new information at this point. I shot a short and sweet email to Smed about this:

and his response came within 30 minutes:

Sounds like the issue is not dead, but I can imagine it is very complicated. It may even not change until after launch if it changes at all.

It's hard to tell how much of what Smedley says is smokescreen. Given that this is SOE we're dealing with, I'd suggest that the most important two words within that comment is "No promises". Good work keeping the questions up though - the more visible this is for SOE, the better.

Vash02 · 2012-02-22, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Dart

I really don't think I've said anything that isn't immediately obvious. This contract was signed at least 6 weeks ago, when it was first announced - complete with joint press release. Considering the large number of games and the number of gamers involved it is clearly a multi-million dollar deal and judging by the tone of Pro7's rhetoric about becoming a major European digital powerhouse, I find it hard to believe their looking at this as a short-term (matter of months) arrangement.

In which case I'm not sure which inference you're upset with. Unless you'd prefer we all stick our heads in the sand over this and pretend it's not happening? Or maybe we should wait until SOE and Pro7's jointly release the details of their agreement before we presume to discuss the matter, which I believe will be done, via press release on the 27th of Never.

My point is no one knows what the exit clauses are so it is pointless to wallow in despair simply because they've signed a contract.

Vancha · 2012-02-22, 04:44 PM

https://twitter.com/#!/Totalbiscuit/...66935755988994

Regardless of how you feel about him, he has a fan-base he can mobilize. This is good news.

GalacticaActual · 2012-02-22, 04:52 PM

I'd love to think that this issue might get sorted, but the more I read that FAQ the more pessimisstic I get.

If EU players are allowed on US servers (and presumably use SOE's cash shop rather than ProSieben's), what reason is there for ProSieben to support the game?

The initial payerbase willl surely be heavily made up of PS1 vets, who will almost certainly play on the US servers if allowed. Any new players in the EU will see the higher Pops on the US servers and potentially gravitate that way, leaving ProSieben in a position where any new players that do decide to try the game will probably not be using their servers or cash shop. Why would ProSieben let that scenario even possibly play out?

I want PS2 to succeed more than any other game I've ever followed before release, but this agreement just seems like a massive roadblock to the games success.

basti · 2012-02-22, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dart

Great catch from Gandhi over in the "Pro7 - Who are they" thread.

Again, this article is not the definitive opinion on Pro7's suitability to run the EU version of PlanetSide2 but it is another piece of an increasingly ugly puzzle:

Alaplaya: How To Ruin An Arena Shooter

Please read this and take it into consideration when deciding how much of a non-issue you really believe this is.

Once again, I sincerely want this game to succeed, I take no pleasure at all in any of this information. I just want to make sure the entire community is of one mind on this issue.

FACTCHECK!

FACT!July 9, 2010. THis is the date of the first comment on this linked post. Means this arcticle got written before or on this date, means all actions within this article are from before said date.
FACT! Alaplaya was bought by Pro7Sat1 A FULL YeAR LATER! At the time of the linked post, Pro7 had nothing to do with Alaplaya, NOTHING AT ALL!

FACT! Alaplaya is part of Pro7Sat1 Games, BUT NOT THE MAIN PEOPLE BEHIND IT! It doesnt have to be that alaplaya hosts planetside 2.

FACT! Since Pro7 bought alaplaya, their crap went down a lot. They literally stopped screwing up. Their support got better as well.

Dart · 2012-02-22, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Vash02

My point is no one knows what the exit clauses are so it is pointless to wallow in despair simply because they've signed a contract.

Why would SOE exercise an exit clause? They're entirely aware this would be unpopular and I can guarantee they were still popping corks when this was finalised. The feedback they're requesting now is absurd. They're simply paying you lip service.

Dart · 2012-02-22, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by basti

FACTCHECK!

FACT!July 9, 2010. THis is the date of the first comment on this linked post. Means this arcticle got written before or on this date, means all actions within this article are from before said date.
FACT! Alaplaya was bought by Pro7Sat1 A FULL YeAR LATER! At the time of the linked post, Pro7 had nothing to do with Alaplaya, NOTHING AT ALL!

FACT! Alaplaya is part of Pro7Sat1 Games, BUT NOT THE MAIN PEOPLE BEHIND IT! It doesnt have to be that alaplaya hosts planetside 2.

FACT! Since Pro7 bought alaplaya, their crap went down a lot. They literally stopped screwing up. Their support got better as well.

Read the comments on the article Basti. The most recent one is from Feb 1st 2012 and it details how the customer service has been worse since the article was written!

Please link where you're getting your final fact from because I'm hoping you've not made that up.

Vash02 · 2012-02-22, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by basti

FACTCHECK!

FACT!July 9, 2010. THis is the date of the first comment on this linked post. Means this arcticle got written before or on this date, means all actions within this article are from before said date.
FACT! Alaplaya was bought by Pro7Sat1 A FULL YeAR LATER! At the time of the linked post, Pro7 had nothing to do with Alaplaya, NOTHING AT ALL!

FACT! Alaplaya is part of Pro7Sat1 Games, BUT NOT THE MAIN PEOPLE BEHIND IT! It doesnt have to be that alaplaya hosts planetside 2.

FACT! Since Pro7 bought alaplaya, their crap went down a lot. They literally stopped screwing up. Their support got better as well.

Did you read the last comment in that link? the one made on Feb 1st, 2012?

Duddy · 2012-02-22, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by GalacticaActual

I'd love to think that this issue might get sorted, but the more I read that FAQ the more pessimisstic I get.

If EU players are allowed on US servers (and presumably use SOE's cash shop rather than ProSieben's), what reason is there for ProSieben to support the game?

The initial payerbase willl surely be heavily made up of PS1 vets, who will almost certainly play on the US servers if allowed. Any new players in the EU will see the higher Pops on the US servers and potentially gravitate that way, leaving ProSieben in a position where any new players that do decide to try the game will probably not be using their servers or cash shop. Why would ProSieben let that scenario even possibly play out?

I want PS2 to succeed more than any other game I've ever followed before release, but this agreement just seems like a massive roadblock to the games success.

Well, I'd of thought there would be far more players that would just play on EU because they either wanted to, didn't care or didn't know any different than there would be players that would play on US.

Even then, whilst I want to play on US I'd still be playing on EU, why? Because I have groups of friends that are international but there are also groups that are only composed of EU players. I don't want to, nor should I have to, only be able to play with one to the exclusion of the other.

If anything such players would be more likely to generate more income due to spending on both systems. To go a step further, both sides would be getting that benefit but at half the use the player would otherwise make upon their network.

Unless I'm missing something I don't understand how it presents a block in any way.

Whalenator · 2012-02-22, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Dart

Read the comments

They are just comments.
Not that the article is still reputable, but still. Comments.

basti · 2012-02-22, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Dart

Read the comments on the article Basti. The most recent one is from Feb 1st 2012 and it details how the customer service has been worse since the article was written!

Please link where you're getting your final fact from because I'm hoping you've not made that up.

Hmm, well, i never played S4, and i cant speak for its support really. But they do care about their other games, as i got some friends playing Florensia, and after asking them just today, they said they never got issues with support.

Im really not making it up, but after that comment on the S4 article, it seems like S4 is like a fifth weel on the wagon for Alaplaya. The entire situation seems to come from bad adjuments to the cash shop. Can only hope that they dont do the same with the SOE games...

Fenrys · 2012-02-22, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Vancha

https://twitter.com/#!/Totalbiscuit/...66935755988994

Regardless of how you feel about him, he has a fan-base he can mobilize. This is good news.

I've never heard of him before, but just reading a few of his tweets leads me to believe he's a corporate tool in muckraker's clothing and should probably not be taken too seriously.

Raymac · 2012-02-22, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Whalenator

They are just comments.
Not that the article is still reputable, but still. Comments.

Exactly. They are comments about an editorial. How much weight do you give comments on youtube videos or yahoo news articles? Let's not take a comment as the end all be all.