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View Poll Results: Should mines be kept? | |||
Yes, until log off, if not indefinitely | 59 | 47.97% | |
Yes, but only for a limited time like ten or twenty minutes | 22 | 17.89% | |
No, they should poof immediately, or in a very short time. | 47 | 38.21% | |
Optional: Getting into a vehicle should be the same as switching classes for the purposes of mines | 2 | 1.63% | |
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 123. You may not vote on this poll |
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2012-04-08, 12:42 PM | [Ignore Me] #46 | |||
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2012-04-08, 03:33 PM | [Ignore Me] #47 | |||
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If mines cost resources, then they should never deconstruct.
If they were free, it would be appropriate to talk about timers and triggers. However, if you are purchasing a mine then it should remain purchased until it explodes. If deconstructed mines are refunded, then they can be treated like PS1 mines (IIRC, auto-decon 15 minutes after leaving the continent or logging off). Likewise, if you buy grenades and die or opt to respawn before using them, they should either be refunded or made available for free when spawning until you opt to carry them again. I'm totally opposed to penalties for changing classes.
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2012-04-08, 04:44 PM | [Ignore Me] #48 | |||
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However it works, I'd like to see mines be dangerous but not always common things that are indicative of a skilled engineer lurking around, rather than just that some guy class switched for a few minutes. |
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2012-04-08, 05:02 PM | [Ignore Me] #49 | ||
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Question about taste, do you prefer:
1. a few dedicated engineers empowered to deploy most minefields/defenses ? or 2. a lot of wannabe engineers each deploying a few and then switching class for the rest of the fight ? Important assumptions: - deployment range restrictions similar to PS1 Once a choice of preference is made, then it's only a matter of making the game mechanics fit accordingly. Edit: btw, that 4th option about entering vehicles is quite harsh and would decrease richness of gameplay. If you ever played vehicles in PS1, you would realize that mine traps to cover retreat paths were a common tactic and increased gameplay complexity in a good way (it introcudes uncertainty and penalizes players not using their brains). Maybe some believe this is OP but I find it perfectly balanced and a good aspect of gameplay in PS1. Last edited by sylphaen; 2012-04-08 at 05:08 PM. |
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2012-04-09, 09:53 AM | [Ignore Me] #50 | ||
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Mines should stay, since for mines to be effective, someone will have to pass over them and that can take a while and multiple deaths, in which time you could have need for a lot of other things. So binding to a class, no. Binding till you log the character, yes.
The problem we're facing here is that if you don't disable them upon logging, then you can make tons of alt characters with their own mines. Even f2p. I would say a couple minutes after logging (giving you time to return, in case you crashed). 4 minutes after your character lost connection to the server should do. |
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2012-04-09, 10:14 AM | [Ignore Me] #51 | |||
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Especially when mines are going to come in variations and no more spitfire turrets, I see no problem or exploit in an engie switching classes. CE spam doesn't feel like an issue either when your vehicles can have anti-mine plating (w.e you call it) and EMP utility slots. -edit- If everybody played engineer and littered indar with mines, I don't think it would even come close to ruining anything. Last edited by Graywolves; 2012-04-09 at 01:25 PM. |
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2012-04-09, 10:19 AM | [Ignore Me] #52 | |||
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I was hoping mines could last forever, but I guess getting a refund for unused mines would be more ideal. I wonder if PS2 can be run on a virtual machine or in a sandbox? In theory, someone could have a second computer with multiple instances of the game, and an engineer logged into each instance who is camping sanctuary after having laid mines. I doubt it will be a big problem, but maybe it's something the devs should watch and have a plan for in case it does become a problem. |
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2012-04-09, 11:58 AM | [Ignore Me] #54 | ||
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This is true, but if we look at the larger scale of things, it could become an issue depending on how effective they are...
The other thing to note is resources, everything in PS2 is going to cost resources, so if somebody takes the time to get mines then they should stay out there until detonated or the person log off, hard earned resources disappearing and going to waste is not going to make anybody happy...
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2012-04-09, 01:29 PM | [Ignore Me] #55 | ||
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There was never too much CE. The call would go out to CE a position ahead of an advancing army and it was always light. You guys are worried about persistent mines? Really? They were easy to avoid as infantry and in vehicles if you knew what you were doing. Emps decimated them and any worthwhile cloaker carried emp grenades during base assaults to clear paths to the CY. Not to mention everyone else tossing emps everywhere.
Mines should be persistent until, at the very least, logout. If we are fighting in a persistent world, they should stay even longer. I really despise this class system copied into the planetside "franchise". scrapping versatility in playstyle in favor of more generic systems is a step backward. |
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2012-04-09, 02:06 PM | [Ignore Me] #56 | ||
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Should be a certificate. Also logging out = removal after 5mins.
If you die, but you respawn as engineer - you keep your mines. If you change the class, you shouldn't get to keep them, unless you get a certificate. |
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2012-04-09, 02:40 PM | [Ignore Me] #57 | ||
i still don´t get what´s the problem with mines?
there was no problem with mines in ps1 at all, and there everyone with the lowest engi cert could lay them. later also every br40 could lay them, too. there was never a problem with too much of them. keep the ps1 limits and everything is fine. if the engineer is limited even further, just take it out of the game completely. there are no children on auraxis, so quit whining about abondoned landmines...
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2012-04-09, 03:01 PM | [Ignore Me] #58 | ||
I think we are all hooked on Planetside 1 a bit too much. Items like Mines and Motion-sensors are very important to base defense and offense. Not only do they give information on where an enemy is, but depending on what defenses are still up you can see where they entered from or where they have been.
Because of this I think these should be common pool items across all classes to cert in, instead of throwing it with Combat Engineers because that's how it was in Planetside 1. What if Combat Engineers were more focused on Anti-Vehicular Combat, Turrets, Vehicle Repairs, Remote Explosives, Deploy-able Cover, Enhancing Base Defenses, etc. Just like how Squad Leading is a certification tree in Planetside 2 now, why can't base defense items be as well? If someone is interested in laying mines and motion sensors then I don't think that should be limited strictly to Combat Engineers. I come to that conclusion simply based on the four pages we've had on this discussion on mines disappearing when switching classes. This fixes that scenario completely. |
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2012-04-09, 03:15 PM | [Ignore Me] #59 | ||
The entire point of classes is to prevent people from being able to do many different roles at once. Letting people setup engineer defenses and then switch class and keep those defenses active is contrary to their stated purpose in having a class system active. If it's fine to let people play engineer and setup defenses and then play something else, then let heavy assaults heal/revive as well. Either class abilities stay with their classes, or go back to freeform certs and ditch restricting abilities.
This is pointless as after a couple months everyone will have every single cert in the game. Making it require deep certification does not address the problem whatsoever, it simply delays it from becoming an issue. Last edited by Warborn; 2012-04-09 at 03:18 PM. |
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2012-04-09, 06:01 PM | [Ignore Me] #60 | |||
but he cannot actively heal while holding the heavy weapon. same for engineer. if you switch, you cannot place new mines or repair maxes or yourself while holding the heavy weapon. class system intention met. also i assume mines will eat ressources like nades and boomers. so spamming mines would strip you off your power to switch to a tank very fast. and not every placed mine will result in a free kill. there are different minetypes now, so a tank will clear anti-personell mines very easyly, even without a mineguard equipped.
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