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LegioX · 2012-06-29, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by ItsTheSheppy

Hahahahaha, the downfall of America.

Not that we're spiraling into meaningless hyperbole or anything.

Yes. Lets do the obvious dumb ass thing and hit the American people with the biggest tax hike in history while the economy is shit. We have idiots running this country.

Exmortius · 2012-06-29, 12:13 PM

ya by far the biggest tax hike ever. you think things were bad now. here's what will play out, even less jobs created....no small business able to hire and afford the healthcare penalties. doctors who can retire closing shop not wanting to be a part of govt capped income healthcare and those high quality doctors getting the f out of the states at even a faster clip. good luck finding a good doctor after this all kicks in. that is the reality of what will happen and when you have a minimum wage doc who doesn't give a crap about you cause his performance doesn't matter welcome to gov't healthcare. get ready to stand in line like the dmv.

ItsTheSheppy · 2012-06-29, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by LegioX

Yes. Lets do the obvious dumb ass thing and hit the American people with the biggest tax hike in history while the economy is shit. We have idiots running this country.

First of all, I'm not really sure it's really the 'biggest tax hike in history' because taxes are a bit more complicated than that. Who's paying the most? What brackets? When do we start? Where does the money go?

The beyond-useless War on Drugs has cost the country 20 billion dollars so far. (edit: THIS YEAR ALONE)

The War On Terror racks up something around a trillion every year. Even GOP doomsday-estimates of ObamaCare put it at racking up $1.6 trillion... in ten years.

In the meantime countrywide health care spending on the part of individuals (may) go down, meaning more money available for personal spending, meaning a stronger economy. Maybe. We don't know because it hasn't happened yet and frankly, even Nostradamus sucked at predicting the future.

If you listen for ten minutes to the circle-jerk of newsroom talking heads, you quickly learn that absolutely nobody has any idea what's gonna happen. If it turns into a giant failure (hello, War on Drugs) we can talk about it then. But saying "Well, that's it. They broke all of America" just obfuscates the conversation. Fox News doesn't want to inform you; they want ratings so they can charge premium rates for ad space and make money. Same with NBC and the rest of them; never forget that.

LegioX · 2012-06-29, 12:57 PM

You don't understand it do you? Look at what is ahead. This healthcare law will drive up the price of health insurance premiums. Insurances companies will not be able to afford the rising cost associated with gov't regulations. Hence, people will drop their healthcare and go towards the gov't ala single payer system. It is all apart of the Left Wing agenda. You should see this.

What about small business owners? Gov't regs say any business with 50 or more people will be required to provide health insurance for their employees. How in the sam hell do you think the owners are going to be able to afford/expand their business? It has been stated that nearly 70% of small business owners are not expanding/hiring new people b/c of the cost associated with this healthcare bill.

Pay attention to what is going around you. This bill destroy all aspect of patient/doctor relationship. Now you have a fucking fed in the middle of every decision you make.

All i can say is, they better be glad i do have health insurance right now. B/c i like to see a fucking IRS agent come and take my money if i decided to not buy insurance b/c the gov't demands me to.

In the words of Patrick Henry. GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH.

ItsTheSheppy · 2012-06-29, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by LegioX

You don't understand it do you? Look at what is ahead. This healthcare law will drive up the price of health insurance premiums. Insurances companies will not be able to afford the rising cost associated with gov't regulations. Hence, people will drop their healthcare and go towards the gov't ala single payer system. It is all apart of the Left Wing agenda. You should see this.

It's like asking me why I can't also hear the voice of Alien Jesus being beamed into my thoughts, too. I'm sorry that I'm not a party to your delusions.

What about small business owners? Gov't regs say any business with 50 or more people will be required to provide health insurance for their employees. How in the sam hell do you think the owners are going to be able to afford/expand their business? It has been stated that nearly 70% of small business owners are not expanding/hiring new people b/c of the cost associated with this healthcare bill.

Except the 'costs associated with this health care bill' won't be felt until 2014 so... I think you made that statistic up. Or Alien Jesus beamed it into your brain through your Cheerios.

Pay attention to what is going around you. This bill destroy all aspect of patient/doctor relationship. Now you have a fucking fed in the middle of every decision you make.

I don't think you know what you're talking about. You seriously sound like a crazy person. At least its nice to see that you're pro choice.

All i can say is, they better be glad i do have health insurance right now. B/c i like to see a fucking IRS agent come and take my money if i decided to not buy insurance b/c the gov't demands me to.

In the words of Patrick Henry. GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH.

Why hello there, Poe's Law. I haven't seen you since the Religion thread. How you holding up? Me? I'm just sippin' on this hot chocolate, watching this guy who watches way more Fox News than must be healthy flip his shit on the internet. Eh, it's alright. Passes the time.

Warborn · 2012-06-29, 01:40 PM

This thread is honestly hilarious. Someone says the word "tax" and people start foaming at the mouth. How in the fuck did it ever come to this? How did you people get spun into such hysterics over such banal shit?

LegioX · 2012-06-29, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Warborn

This thread is honestly hilarious. Someone says the word "tax" and people start foaming at the mouth. How in the fuck did it ever come to this? How did you people get spun into such hysterics over such banal shit?

Do i need to show you all the times Obama stated to the American people "its not a tax"? Would you be mad if the Pres. directly lied to you about the entire process on how the bill was passed?

And just like every liberal, when i show facts they spout it off as nothing but dribble and not fact. Want me to put u in your place? Will not look good.

CutterJohn · 2012-06-29, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by LegioX

Do i need to show you all the times Obama stated to the American people "its not a tax"? Would you be mad if the Pres. directly lied to you about the entire process on how the bill was passed?

And just like every liberal, when i show facts they spout it off as nothing but dribble and not fact. Want me to put u in your place? Will not look good.

Did you ever rub two brain cells together and figure out for yourself that it behaves exactly like a tax, regardless of what its labeled for marketing purposes?

The saddest thing is not that he lied. Its that it worked.

So when SCOTUS came out and said, yeah, its a tax, a million republicans lost their minds.

All I could think was "Duh?"

Originally Posted by LegioX

All i can say is, they better be glad i do have health insurance right now. B/c i like to see a fucking IRS agent come and take my money if i decided to not buy insurance b/c the gov't demands me to.

Do you own a house? or have a kid? Right. The government gives you deductions if you do those. And innumerable other things.

Which means the government is taking your money because you decided not to do something. Perfectly legit. Has been for ages. How can you be outraged when you don't even know how your own taxes work? Boggles my mind.

Zolan · 2012-06-29, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Warborn

This thread is honestly hilarious. Someone says the word "tax" and people start foaming at the mouth. How in the fuck did it ever come to this? How did you people get spun into such hysterics over such banal shit?

The person who said "tax" was attorney(s) arguing in favor of the healthcare law.

Everyone (maybe not you) recognizes the hypocrisy of relentlessly campaigning for support of the law and vehemently stating that the mandate was not a tax on multiple occasions in order to sway votes for it's passage, whether constitutional or not, and then having your attorney argue before the supreme court that it is in fact a tax.

LegioX · 2012-06-29, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

Did you ever rub two brain cells together and figure out for yourself that it behaves exactly like a tax, regardless of what its labeled for marketing purposes?

The saddest thing is not that he lied. Its that it worked.

So when SCOTUS came out and said, yeah, its a tax, a million republicans lost their minds.

All I could think was "Duh?"

you own a house? or have a kid? Right. The government gives you deductions if you do those. And innumerable other things.

Which means the government is taking your money because you decided not to do something. Perfectly legit. Has been for ages. How can you be outraged when you don't even know how your own taxes work? Boggles my mind.

So explain to me Yoda, why did Obama say 1million times that it was not a tax??? Explain that.

It's simple. He lied to the American people to get this passed. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL.

Honestly believe it would have passed if all the democrats and the POTUS was going around saying..yeah its a tax!!! Pass the bill congress! we will just see the largest tax in american history, but it will be a positive!. Do you see how stupid that is?

**Malorn** · 2012-06-29, 02:51 PM

Meh.

ItsTheSheppy · 2012-06-29, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by elfailo

Alien Jesus:

h8 GIMP

[Political Party] is safeguarding our way of life and making this country great! [Other Political Party] are un-[nationality] [socialists/neocons/tyrants/foreigners/fatcats] out to destroy [country]! It's a secret [liberal/conservative] agenda and I'm the only sensible person in the world who sees it for what it is!

LegioX · 2012-06-29, 02:55 PM

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing” – Edmund Burke, 1795

ChargerCarl · 2012-06-29, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by aceshigh

How could requiring someone to carry health insurance be considered constitutional? It blows my mind.

ETA: travesty too

"If the Federal government has the power to adjust your taxes based on whether you buy an electric car, cover your roof with solar panels, use 1 btu of petroleum to create 1 btu of corn ethanol, take out a mortgage on your mansion, hire a nanny to take care of your kids, and all the other silly things it does in the tax code, it surely has the power to adjust your taxes based on whether you buy health insurance."

Thats from John Cochrane, who swing pretty hard to the right.

ItsTheSheppy · 2012-06-29, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Malorn

Americans revolted against Britain over unfair taxation and government tyranny. Why does it surprise you that we get worked up over government fraud?

Colonists were taxed a great deal less than Englishmen living in England at that time. However, the combination of rule by a distant and disconnected government, combined with proclamations forbidden western expansion (and thereby limiting what would be extremely profitable business and land opportunities for the wealthy few (who were also, conveniently, the political leaders of the revolution)) led to the discontent necessary to spark rebellion.

Rallying the people around taxation was just the convenient excuse because a) nobody likes taxes (nobody), and b) people wouldn't rally around the real reason because it's too complicated. Much easier you just go *rabblerabbleTAXESrabblerabble*.

200+ years later and nothing is different.