News: For EU Players: Win a trip to SOE Live

[Phattie]

It was NC owned to begin with but that was largely irrelevant as you're not competing against the other empire for score so it doesn't really matter if the NC score higher.

[DirtyBird]

Cant beleive I got up early to watch that shite.
Worst event/stream ever.

Next time stream some paint drying and just draw straws.

[bpostal]

Well, however it turns out, congrats to the three winners. Hope you enjoy SOE Live!

[Hamma]

I take it no winner has been announced yet?

[bpostal]

Originally Posted by Hamma

I take it no winner has been announced yet?

Not yet, no.

[basti]

Originally Posted by Hamma

I take it no winner has been announced yet?

They are checking the thing carefully.

Honestly, it was a failure of a match.

1. the Biolab. say what you want, this thing should have been neutal / SCU down. That NC owned it did help them a lot. Several times I got a Deci in a scatmax just to see it run into the spawn room. The auto HP regen also did help them. Biggest problem however was the extreme Close quaters nature of a Bio, it was lethal for every non scatmax. And there were loads of Scatmaxes around.

2. The winning condition. Biggest problem really, not much else possible however as there is little else you can accuratly track to find a winner. Naturally, every player should have fought for himself. However, there were teams on both TR and NC side, pretty much max + engi. Also, penty of VS had the brilliant idea to constantly accept revives.
This is cheating, nothign else. Teaming up with your enemy, even tho he is your faction, to give one person a hand at winning, is cheating. This is not how you can build a competition.

3. The Camera guys. What the fuck really? At one point, some dude was flying in my face, visible. I spotted him, looked right at him, and then got shot in the back. How the bloddy fuck can you NOT be invisible for this?
Folks who watched the stream told me that the camera dudes also managed to block people in doorways etc, preventing them from fleeing a room. No idea if thats true, didnt watch the recording yet.

4. The rules. What rules? They were messy, not known by everyone, and even if know, balantly broken. It was said to stay away from the enemy outposts, yet there were NC at both TR and VS enemy outposts.
Is teaming up actually allowed, even tho it screws completly with the nature of the match (Team deathmatch, thats what it was, nothing else)?
Another screwup was at the beginning. People were teleported over to the biolab, but there was no clear communication that this was about to happen, and that we should remain inside our spawn room till it starts. There were VS running around inside the bio before it started. on TR side, some dude already placed a sunderer before it started.
There was a NC that was BR4 or 5 BEFORE the thing even started. He propably farmed XP in the warpgate by engi ammo pack.


We do belive that Steveo won for TR, and Artorius won for VS. No idea about NC.
Both Steveo and Artorius played sneaky, using LA and Infil to get the drop on people. Propably the best thing to do against the scatmax spam.


In my eyes, the whole thing should be redone. It simply wasnt a fair competition in any way, shape or form. But there would need to be some serious rework on many aspects. However, SOE live is approaching, and there simply is no time.

Guess we take it as it is, a failure, and learn for the future:


1. No TDM, EVER again. Whatever the winning conditions are, they need to encourage Teamwork, not force you to abadon it.
2. make the rules CRYSTAL clear. Any kind of bullshit needs to result in a direct ban from the match. No fucking about, no warnings, just ban. Thats the only way to actually get a fair match going.
3. Dont interact with the match itself. If i ever see another camera guy, im going to fly over to that dudes place and punch him in the face. The whole thing seriously screwed things over.
4. provide an even playing field. Biolabs are extreme Close quarters, greatly being in favor for NC shotguns. While the JackHammer is less of a problem, the Scatmax is. I actually went against a scatmax with my dual Nebulas, and lost greatly (10+ meters distance), simply because of the insane damage output of those things. But there was little else i could do given the massive amounts of retreating points, and the little distance between me and him. I just couldnt build more distance.



Gonna watch the thing now...

[basti]

Just checked certain parts of the Stream. Bahahha, there was balant Ghosting going on. Shits that obvious that it hurts.

[Mastachief]

Lol you cant ghost something like that, for one the stream would be 20+seconds behind. Quit whining you where only competeing with you fellow empire which makes the point of the bio ownership mute. Teaming up and sacrificing your own chance in order to further that of a friend/outfit member was not against the rules, engineers get xp too..... VS and TR could retreat to their teleporters and if they were smart would have a sundie next to the teleporter. Yes realrook was br4 or br5 imo he should be disqualified. As far as we can work out Kanum should have it in the bag for nc if proseiben remove realrooks xp head start he had.

[basti]

Originally Posted by Mastachief

Lol you cant ghost something like that, for one the stream would be 20+seconds behind. Quit whining you where only competeing with you fellow empire which makes the point of the bio ownership mute. Teaming up and sacrificing your own chance in order to further that of a friend/outfit member was not against the rules, engineers get xp too..... VS and TR could retreat to their teleporters and if they were smart would have a sundie next to the teleporter. Yes realrook was br4 or br5 imo he should be disqualified. As far as we can work out Kanum should have it in the bag for nc if proseiben remove realrooks xp head start he had.

20 sec lag? more like 5, at max.

But watch the stream, there was ghosting going on, im sure.


There needs to be a 5 min delay for this kind of stuff where strategy isnt important. For battles where strategy actually plays a role (nexus 48v48), there needs to be a 30 min delay.


Best part: Look at the end during the stream, NC max in dead animation shuffeling about killing players. THEY FUCKING SAW THAT AND DID NOTHING!

[Canaris]

yeah I didn't catch the stream myself but from what everyone has been saying it looks like a right SNAFU in organisation from the Dev's from the choice of base to fight in to even the camera guys getting in the way the whole time.

Next time SOE really should ask for players advise on where to stage and run these things.

[Rolfski]

I watched it and I'm with Basti on this one: The event was a complete mess, unfortunately, although you can't blame people for playing sneaky of course.
But then again, this whole contest set-up was wrong from the beginning, forcing people to give up real life to make a chance in the first place.

I severely hope Pro7 has taken their lessons from this because trade mark German Gründlichkeit was nowhere to be seen on this one.

[basti]

Ofc you cant blame people for playing sneaky. It really was the best thing to do to avoid the scatmax spam. But that screwed me over, because im Heavy assault and Max, not some fairy pants gaylord that is flying around. I melt faces instead!

But that just didnt work. Now i cant throw PurrfectStorm into the pool. That was the sole reason for me to go to SOELive. :/

[Rolfski]

Originally Posted by basti

Ofc you cant blame people for playing sneaky. It really was the best thing to do to avoid the scatmax spam. But that screwed me over, because im Heavy assault and Max, not some fairy pants gaylord that is flying around. I melt faces instead!

But that just didnt work. Now i cant throw PurrfectStorm into the pool. That was the sole reason for me to go to SOELive. :/

I can feel your pain here. I'm sure my team mate Steveo won't mind throwing Luperza into the swimming pool for you if he wins this one.

[Pella]

Complete mess.

Considering the prize on the line and the amount of effort everyone put in. Pro7 fucked up.

[bpostal]

That reminds me, isn't there supposed to be an EU version of FNO? Whatever happened to that?