Democrats Move to Secure Loss in 2004 Presidental Elections - Page 4

Lexington_Steele · 2003-01-21, 05:50 PM

Nav, how about something very simple.

Just because that specific act is not the answer does not mean that there does not need to be campaign finance reform.

Unregistered · 2003-01-21, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by Lexington_Steele
Btw I am not a democrat.

Your still a pinko libral commie no matter how you spin it.

(that was an atempt at humor, so don't flame me. If you find it insulting sorry.)

Lexington_Steele · 2003-01-21, 05:52 PM

Navaron · 2003-01-21, 05:56 PM

Obviously. The point is that, limiting anyones free speech for any reason is an abhoration. Sure the current system blows, but like Vic said earlier, voters are smart enough to figure out what's going on. If they see a dirty campaign, they know it when they see it. If Bud light is sponsering Janet Reno, and has a big ass Spring 2003 election party, then people will catch on.

CFR in general is nice, but it's like saying no one should be hungry. Well duh. I wish every person was honest and not influenced by any factor except their own sense of right and wrong.

This CFR policy is an abomination. I am ashamed that my president ever signed it, regardless of the anticipated outcome. I don't buy that whole thing about how the dem's would be all over him with "He's bought by dirty money". When this thing gets shot down, all of the headlines will say 1 of 2 things -
1"President Bush CFR law was nullified due to it's unconstitutionality" - successfully pinning the blame on him or
2 "The bill would have passed had Bush accepted it in it's original form". Obviously not true, but thats where the blame will go.

Sputty · 2003-01-21, 05:58 PM

Ok, I have some rifles. We could go and kill as many politicians as possible and destroy their corrupt government! Who's with me?!!?!......

...Anyone?.....There's free donuts...

MrVicchio · 2003-01-21, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Lexington_Steele
No I do not trust people.

Isn't seeing greed as the great motivator, yet believing in the goodness of humanity a bit of an oxymoron?

That right there is the Difference between a Conservative and a
liberal.

Liberals trust no one but he government

Conservatives trust people.

You people make me ill.

Sputty · 2003-01-21, 06:08 PM

Again, you're generalizing. Just because one person doesn't trust people doesn't mean everyone that has anything to do with him doesn't...

Lexington_Steele · 2003-01-21, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by MrVicchio
You people make me ill.

Nice touch making a personal attack against me.

However I am not going to travel that route in a public forum like this.

Airlift · 2003-01-21, 06:28 PM

Democrat == Republican == A bunch of white-collar criminals that are interested only in slicing themselves off the biggest chunk of power possible. All pundits and mouth-pieces make me ill with their bullshiat promises and phoney points of distinction.

Hamma · 2003-01-21, 06:29 PM

I am going to write myself in.

Airlift · 2003-01-21, 06:32 PM

I'll vote for you Hamma, but only the first term. once the Big Everything lobby gets its claws on you, you're a goner.

Lexington_Steele · 2003-01-21, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by MrVicchio
That right there is the Difference between a Conservative and a
liberal.

Liberals trust no one but he government

Conservatives trust people.

I see many conservatives as self serving. I have said it before, big bussiness has shown us time and time again that they are unable to regulate themselves. They will exploit their employees and pollute the environment if it improves the profit margin.

How am I supposed to trust someone to look out for global interest when they are focused on their personal interests.

Are you an advocate for the legalization of Drugs? That is government invading our lives. Don't you trust people to make their own decisions while they are high?

Are you an advocate for repealing all criminal law. That is government invading our lives? Don't you trust people not to commit crimes?

Are you pro life? Isn't that government invading a womans body? Isn't that a traditional conservative view?

Oversimplifications such as "government = bad" are garbage and you know it.

Do you really feel that I pull my views out of thin air and they are without merit? Are my concerns really unimportant and invalid?

I appologise if people with a different point of view than you "make you ill."

Unregistered · 2003-01-21, 06:50 PM

I just came from www.democrats.org the official headquaters of the DNC, and I could not find where it promissed me a better future. I really looked around the site quite a bit to find what they claim the party stands for.

I could find there goals, but not how they expected to go about achiving any of them. All I could find was a bunch of Mud being tossed at Bush.

Then I went to www.rnc.org and had no problem finding out what the Republicans are Doing right now to help the country.

About the the only thing i could find on the Dem site was them talking about Bush's plan to slash taxes, but they presented no evidence to support that their plan was batter. Infact they did not even present a plan at all.

Now that the subject of Taxes is brought up I wanted to make you all aware of where the Dems get their money. It might surprise you....

The biggest supporters of the Democrats are the richest 1% of the nation. People that make over 500K a year. They can afford to be very giving and are ok with higher taxes.

Now the people that contribute the most to the Republican party are the richest 5% of Americans. People who make over 150K a year (this includes married couples that have a combined income of 150k).

Currently the extreme Rich are taxed in the same bracket as the the family with the combined income of 150K or better. Is this fair that they have to sholder the same burdon as a Millionare? To the Dems it is. To the Republicans it is not.

It is not acceptable for me to be forced to pay a higher percentage of my wages to support people that do not make as much as me. I have bills to. Rather then help them to make more, the Dems want me to have less. How is that fair?

I am in favor of a tax system that requires everyone to pay the same percentage of their wages no matter how much money they make. I should not be penalized by the government for my hard work.

MrVicchio · 2003-01-21, 06:55 PM

No, that was no personal attack. I just said you people make me ill. If that is a vicious bit of slander then your skins thinner then paper.

Unregistered · 2003-01-21, 06:57 PM

Settle Down Children. This is a Civil Political Debate, not 3rd grade recess.