Planetside 2 Punisher Concept - Page 4

Saieno · 2012-04-24, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by Whalenator

I'm not making it for show, I'm making a wiremesh that can actually be used in a game.

I am as well, I suppose we just have different methods. Here's my WIP so far, haven't really shaped much yet but it'll give you an idea of where I'm at in the model.

Lokster · 2012-04-24, 02:25 AM

If the PS2 devs get their hands on this and change a few minor things, I would love to see it in game.

CutterJohn · 2012-04-24, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by Saieno

That's because I based it on the FN F2000 to ground it somewhat in modern design. Good eye!

Dude.. Not cool.

If you're going to draw that heavily off of another persons work you really need to give them credit. This isn't a Punisher concept. Its a modified F2000 concept. Overall outline is exactly the same. Grip is the same, trigger the same, underbarrel trigger the same, the bolt is in the same position, you even exactly copied some of the details.

As it stands, this concept copies so much it would be unusable.

Heaven · 2012-04-24, 07:20 AM

Looks like a supersoaker

Still though it looks good man!

PlaceboCyanide · 2012-04-24, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

As it stands, this concept copies so much it would be unusable.

Why

CutterJohn · 2012-04-24, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by PlaceboCyanide

Why

Lawyers. And its just bad form to plagiarize/take massive inspiration from/whatever you want to call it.

Lokster · 2012-04-24, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

Dude.. Not cool.

If you're going to draw that heavily off of another persons work you really need to give them credit. This isn't a Punisher concept. Its a modified F2000 concept. Overall outline is exactly the same. Grip is the same, trigger the same, underbarrel trigger the same, the bolt is in the same position, you even exactly copied some of the details.

As it stands, this concept copies so much it would be unusable.

And this, my friends, is why game developers don't typically use fan created concepts. Never know if it's legit or copied.

Sigh .. I liked the concept too.

Saieno · 2012-04-24, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

Dude.. Not cool.

If you're going to draw that heavily off of another persons work you really need to give them credit. This isn't a Punisher concept. Its a modified F2000 concept. Overall outline is exactly the same. Grip is the same, trigger the same, underbarrel trigger the same, the bolt is in the same position, you even exactly copied some of the details.

As it stands, this concept copies so much it would be unusable.

I have already stated here that I based the concept on the FN F2000 to ground it in modern design. I'm not a weapons expert so I used the base of an actual gun to make it as plausible as possible. The overall outline isn't exactly the same, except for the grip (which I enjoy very much), the butt of the gun, and bolt. I could have used a different bolt for the gun, but I felt like it fit the style of the punisher better. Since I'm not a weapons specialist (though if I were actually getting paid to do this I would actually do research) I would have created a bolt that would be more suitable.

The concept is exactly as is stated, a concept. It's what I would think a Punisher would look like in Planetside 2. Everything can be changed, nothing is set in stone obviously.

Originally Posted by Lokster

And this, my friends, is why game developers don't typically use fan created concepts. Never know if it's legit or copied.

Sigh .. I liked the concept too.

Legit or copied? This wasn't stolen, I'm not claiming someone elses completed work as my own. The entire Punisher design is a combination of the FN2000 and the Planetside 1 Punisher. You can see my line work if you'd like, check out my PSD file, it was all created by me. Yes its based on an existing weapon because I am not a weapons specialist and do not know every single working part of a weapon. If this were to actually go into Planetside 2 the concept would be changed to reflect the style of Planetside 2 obviously.

Pozidriv · 2012-04-24, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

Dude.. Not cool.

If you're going to draw that heavily off of another persons work you really need to give them credit. This isn't a Punisher concept. Its a modified F2000 concept. Overall outline is exactly the same. Grip is the same, trigger the same, underbarrel trigger the same, the bolt is in the same position, you even exactly copied some of the details.

As it stands, this concept copies so much it would be unusable.

Pretty much this, im suprised it took this long to notice this even when i gave a nice picture on page 3. Nothing personal against the concept lad, but it wouldn't really catch wind due to potential plagiarism and copyrights / trademarks.

Heck alot of companies need to play licencing fees to put certain guns / vehicles in their games. I still remember the credits screen for Ace Combat: Assault Horizon. (Dassault, Lockheed, Sukhoi, Mikoyan-Gurevich, Eurofighter Gmbh, Mil, Saab AB, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Lockheed Martin, Sikorsky and Boeing) i think i might have missed one or two licensors :P.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Saieno

The concept is exactly as is stated, a concept. It's what I would think a Punisher would look like in Planetside 2. Everything can be changed, nothing is set in stone obviously.

Legit or copied? This wasn't stolen, I'm not claiming someone elses completed work as my own. The entire Punisher design is a combination of the FN2000 and the Planetside 1 Punisher. You can see my line work if you'd like, check out my PSD file, it was all created by me. Yes its based on an existing weapon because I am not a weapons specialist and do not know every single working part of a weapon. If this were to actually go into Planetside 2 the concept would be changed to reflect the style of Planetside 2 obviously.

I replied a tad too quickly it seems, you do have a point there. To actually add something relevant, i guess we just presented you with a challenge to extra refine your concept to something more of its own

. How about moving the charging handle to the top of the weapon or removing the magazine well from the back and using an AK type of curved magazine? How about having the shells getting ejected down from the gun?

Saieno · 2012-04-24, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Pozidriv

Pretty much this, im suprised it took this long to notice this even when i gave a nice picture on page 3. Nothing personal against the concept lad, but it wouldn't really catch wind due to potential plagiarism and copyrights / trademarks.

I would agree the handle and trigger designs could be re-worked into an original design, it is basically the same as the FN2000 style. With that done I think it could be different enough to stand on its own. The FN2000 is one of my favorite weapons which is why this is based on it, probably why I enjoyed the Punisher in Planetside 1 so much haha.

Originally Posted by Pozidriv

I replied a tad too quickly it seems, you do have a point there. To actually add something relevant, i guess we just presented you with a challenge to extra refine your concept to something more of its own

. How about moving the charging handle to the top of the weapon or removing the magazine well from the back and using an AK type of curved magazine? How about having the shells getting ejected down from the gun?

I like challenges and wouldn't mind working it towards a completely unique design. Would be great if we could make this a community project or something, even though it isn't going into the game. Do you have any reference examples of what you might change so I can have some ideas on how to change the design? I'm currently 3D modeling it when I can, but I can always change the reference sketch and start parts over.

Levente · 2012-04-24, 11:17 AM

whats the point ? instead modell a gun from the movie Fift Element, that have some nice badass guns

Geist · 2012-04-24, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Saieno

I like challenges and wouldn't mind working it towards a completely unique design. Would be great if we could make this a community project or something, even though it isn't going into the game. Do you have any reference examples of what you might change so I can have some ideas on how to change the design? I'm currently 3D modeling it when I can, but I can always change the reference sketch and start parts over.

Wow, that would be the ultimate community support I've ever seen in any game. To actually take a concept developed by a community and put it in the game would make SOE my all time favorite developer ever(They're pretty close already too

)

CutterJohn · 2012-04-24, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Saieno

The concept is exactly as is stated, a concept.

My issue is not that you made a concept like this. Thats fine. It will never be used anyway, regardless of quality, simply because SOE wouldn't want to bother with licensing issues.

My only issue is that you put up this artwork, claiming it was your own, and didn't mention that significant portions of it were traced exactly from another design. Its just poor taste to not give credit where its due.

Death2All · 2012-04-24, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

My issue is not that you made a concept like this. Thats fine. It will never be used anyway, regardless of quality, simply because SOE wouldn't want to bother with licensing issues.

My only issue is that you put up this artwork, claiming it was your own, and didn't mention that significant portions of it were traced exactly from another design. Its just poor taste to not give credit where its due.

You're a dork.

Saieno · 2012-04-24, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

My issue is not that you made a concept like this. Thats fine. It will never be used anyway, regardless of quality, simply because SOE wouldn't want to bother with licensing issues.

Well Pozidriv and I were talking in PMs a bit. He was explaining the main parts of weapons and lot of examples of bullpup designs, and I came up with the follow. I'm going to redesign some of the key aspects I based the Punisher concept on from the FN F2000, and use the following as inspiration.

The butt of the ASh-12.7

The Pistol Grip and Trigger from the Type 95-1

The Ejection Port of the Steyr AUG

And the charging / cocking handle of the Tavor STAR 21

That's the plan anyway but we'll see what it leads to.