Exploits in PlanetSide

[Hamma]

In the immortal words of Sporkfire, posting teh exploits and cheats makes you a part of the problem. Not a hero. Cheats will not be posted on PSU for public consumption. Thats just the way it is

[kidriot]

I don't consider these cheats or exploits. do I need them? no.

I consider them part of the game called Planetside. just like I also consider shit-ass client-side detection part of Planetside. warping is a part of Planetside and will be for who knows how long. do I know how to use warping to my advantage? yes. and I use it everytime I play.

there's a thin line between cheat/exploit and these things that are just part of the game Planetside. maybe one day they'll be "fixed." so what.

I don't play the game for kill count. I play for my outfit and for the challenge. however, I will use continue to use what Planetside has given me. the ability to do things that elevate my game to new heights when I decide to push myself.

Planetside is watered down FPS. what it does force a great player to do, is adapt and comprehend situations that will give him the best possible position to do something.

ultimately it's game wisdom that makes a good player great. after that, it's consistency of greatness that makes a great player leet.

[cHaM]

SOE has yet to reply to a single e-mail I've sent them. I fully believe they're avoiding me now because I'm forcing them to fix the issues that are plaguing this game. Posting those exploits to the public was necessary despite what anyone else says because they were being abused and SOE was not fixing them. By making them public and everyone knowing about them, they'll be forced to fix them since they're mainstream now. They'll be pushed to the top of the "Things to fix" list for the dev team, which is what I wanted. I found exploits and loops in their code that people were exploiting, tried to go through the normal channels of communication to let SOE know about them, and they did nothing. So I took a stand, canceled my account and made the knowledge public (if anyone is still looking for the information, they can be found in cleverly hidden replies throughout the PlanetSide message board, I posted the exploits 20+ times and only a handful of them got deleted, this just goes to show you the incomphetance of SOE's employee's that they cannot use a simple messageboard admin feature that allows you to search for posts made by a user).

I knew I was going to get banned for what I did, that was the point. Sometimes rules need to be broken to get the message across, I didn't hack the game or cause grief to anyone by posting my message. I merely called SOE on it's lack of attention it was giving to important issues in the game.

It truely saddens me that instead of working with its customers (what I originally wanted) SOE has to work against them by banning them for trying to have these exploits fixed. I've stated in an E-Mail, several appeals and bug reports in game that if SOE's QA team needs any help at all reproducing these exploits, I'll be more than happy to log in any time day or night on any faction / server they want (even delete several of my br 20 characters to meet their needs) and walk them through each exploit step-by-step in order to help reproduce them reliably. The offer still stands provided the unbanning of my account for the time period it takes to help them.

[Hamma]

Just because they dont reply doesent mean they dont read them.

[cHaM]

That's what I thought too, until my list of exploits that I've e-mailed to SOE several times the last few months went unfixed. So yes it's evident that unless they reply, I have no way of verifying that they actually read it.

Had they replied and said "thanks for the list, we'll look into these" I would of been happy. But I didn't get a reply, not even a tell in-game from a CSR when I asked for one. The only thing I got was a message via the /appeal in-game that a QA rep would talk to me during the playtest (which I attended) today at 5pm. I was at the playtest, I sent tells to every QA rep that I could find and didn't get a single reply back from any of them. The only thing I saw them ask for was a squad invite and one tried to get me to ALT-F4 out of the game like I was some newb who didn't know what I was doing, which rather insulted me (3 BR 20's, one for every faction, and a CR 5, been playing since exsclusive beta), I'm paying these people for their time to report bugs and exploits, which they're not allowing me to do. So I took action and broke their rules to get my point across.

[Hamma]

Why are you so upset now if you have already cancelled

[cHaM]

Because this isn't about me, this is about you and the thousands of subscribers to SOE's PlanetSide. I could of very easily kept those exploits secret and not informed anyone and exploited them myself to gain the advantages they offer. But you see I'm not that type of person. I canceled my subscription because of the very exploits I'm trying to get rid of and SOE's lax attitude towards them.

[Veteran]

Using warping to your benefit may or may not be exploitation, but it's not good form or an example of an honorable playstyle. Removal of Surge, the primary offender in this matter, seems long overdue at this point.

Client-side hit-detection may be easy to criticize, but server-side hit-detection is quite a ways off with current technology. Just because a system is limited is no invitation to exploit or pervert it.

[infinite loop]

What started off as a post I found to be not such a big deal, has turned into a whine-laiden campaign by cham, that I find no better than any of the "N3RF tEh JH" threads. I have to agree with kidRiot here, none of the things listed are that big of a deal. If they were, then they would have been fixed by now. You can't convince me that any one of those "exploits" gives someone an extreme advantage over anyone else. They may be bugs, but it's not even close to the same level as someone using an aimbot or speedhack. Just fucking give up already. If you don't like it, quit. Just stop whining about it already. Unless you are a software developer yourself, and know what it takes to make and maintain a product, shut your piehole. It's not easy to make a good product, and manage the maintenance of it effectively, especially with such a large user base. Maybe SOE is flawed, but at least they're still trying.

[flypengy]

Sorry. After reading that Cham had is account banned and that he is still "fighting the good fight" for us smells like a lot of bs to me. Sorry cham... you're what we call an attention whore.

People talk of a bot that you just hold the mouse down and it will only shoot when it will hit? Bs... sorry... I've never heard an MCG fire and stop firing repeatedly as I move around, same with lasher, same with JH. That is BS.

All of those exploits Cham is so worked up about give sucha minute amount of an advantage (and none of them direct) that they are far from significant.

None of you have the skill to move around and repeatedly click your mouse while repeatedly clicking your surge on to kill someone. Sorry, you're just not skilled enough.

Cham seems like he has been owned one too many times and got pissed about it and posted the exploits thinking a reload trick was how he kept losing... after his ass got booted he's on a crusade against sony now...

They obviously read your post moron if they deleted it.

End of story.

[Ait'al]

what has happened to you people it used to be encouraged to use a games exploit so there easier to figure out how to fix them? It helps you hyper Debug hte game. It was so much better like that. Not ot mention all player are then thinking more about hta game design and playing likewise.

I swear for gamers your all a bunch of cowering pansies!? Theres a difference between people who use game cheats to abuse hte game and ones who use it to find the natural boundries of the game to makeit better(not refering to or supporting anyone in these posts just in general.) You only have to get rid of those people who dont know hte difference. And they stick out like a sore thumb!


That distinction was why there used to be so much more order in games and all communities in general!

[Ait'al]

That how much do we use game design to make a game playable or depend on player perception is th oldest part of game design and not allowing people to be a part of the design anymnore(those who can amke that distiction/arent being malicious. IE not discouraging the community to use it) is what is stoping the games of today not to be fixed.(have that balanced fixed). not to mention it doesnt leave anything for the players go grasp onto to to have any veiw of hte Creators intent for the game!(A real idea and an idea from a programming point of veiw!)

[Jagd]

I'm not sure how with SOE's track record you would give them the benefit of the doubt here. It is widely known that Everquest and SWGalaxies (and now, Planetside) have been filled with bugs and exploits and that SOE prefers to sweep them under the rug unless somebody makes a point of publically embarassing them about it.

[Happy lil Elf]

None of you have the skill to move around and repeatedly click your mouse while repeatedly clicking your surge on to kill someone. Sorry, you're just not skilled enough.

Yeah, because that would take a lot of skill. Bind surge to thumb button. Click thumb and pointer finger. Yeah, that's tough all right.

[Jagd]

How do you bind surge to the thumb button? I thought implants had to be F-keys.