Halo 2 ending discusion

[EarlyDawn]

Originally Posted by Lonehunter187

Quite deniable for me, if one dug into enough history the actions in Halo 2 could be compared to just about any major happenings of the past. A good example would be the Civil War and the Heretics, same basis of events but I don't think that because America had a civil war Bungi made the Covenant split and have Heretics

If you don't have anything to contribute to a storyline discussion, don't post ***.

And yeah, the redesigned New Mombasa scene sucked. I liked the old "drive through the streets" concept.

Nobody seemed that concerned about the invasion, that's true..

[Neon Apocalypse]

I just finished and tbh the game rocked, it seemed short but take a look at how many levels there are.

Earth is without a doubt the place of the Ark, otherwise the covenant wouldn't be trying to take it.

Its been only a few days since the game has been out and now we're anxiously awaiting halo 3.

[EarlyDawn]

Last out question for everyone. This may seem a tad judgemental, considering I think I'm only 85% complete..

Is anyone else flat out dissapointed by the story, even beyond the ending? I had imagined this epic battle to save Earth. Wars in the streets. Raiding Covenant command posts and cruisers. Fighting tooth and nail for every last position.

Instead, I get some mildly interesting Earth defense battles and a Covenant storyline that is about a 3.5 out of 10 on the "interesting" scale. It seems like they forgot that the 343 Guilty Spark event had to be tied up, so they invented a so-so plot to facilitate that.

I wish they'd picked a more "Call of Duty" approach to level design, too. Although the level design is a lot less monotonuous, the concept is still charging into enemies, killing everyone and heading into the next room. Granted, there's a vehicle scene thrown in there now and then, but I long for something a great deal objective-based.

The combat should have facilitated the objectives, not the other way around. Give me a personal (both storyline and level design) urge to complete them. This is why I think the Earth levels should have been much, much longer.

Final note: the first Arbiter level was about as fun as a gunshot to the head.

[Octavian]

Prediction: The Forerunners are actually the ancestors of the human race. That would explain why this "Ark" is on Earth. It also explains why Guilty Spark calls the Master Cheif a "Reclaimer" and not the Covenant. Guilty Spark recognized the Master Cheif as a memeber of the race that created the rings and thought he was there to set things right. I believe the Forerunners activated the rings and wiped themselves out, almost. Some of the Forerunners survived somehow and became what are now humans.

That is the most likely theory, in the books GS attempted to use a human Marine to find the Index. Later on I presume the guy died from the Flood.

[Untouchable]

I've always sort of suspected that the Spartans ARE the Forerunners? Perhaps reincarnations of some sort, which would explain as to why GS referred to the MC as a Reclaimer? Any thoughts?

[EarlyDawn]

Well, Spartan Shields and possibly components of the armor are derived from Covenant technology, which is in turn derived from Forerunner technology.

Its entirely possible that is the reason for the confusion of GS, or it could possibly be that he simply thinks that when the Forerunners hid away in the Arc, they changed over time. Thus, when he sees Master Chief with shields indirectly adapted from Foreunner tech, he believes he sees the post-Halo development of his master race.

[Angel_of_Death]

Just finished the game...

amazing. I loved it.

Originally Posted by EarlyDawn

Last out question for everyone. This may seem a tad judgemental, considering I think I'm only 85% complete..

Is anyone else flat out dissapointed by the story, even beyond the ending? I had imagined this epic battle to save Earth. Wars in the streets. Raiding Covenant command posts and cruisers. Fighting tooth and nail for every last position.

Didn't it say that the one place where the MC went to help out on Earth (don't think they named it) was the only place the Covies decided to attack, and with only one cruiser, the one with Regret on?

Originally Posted by Untouchable

I've always sort of suspected that the Spartans ARE the Forerunners? Perhaps reincarnations of some sort, which would explain as to why GS referred to the MC as a Reclaimer? Any thoughts?

Note, that when Tartarus is holding Miranda Keyes and is trying to get her to use the Index, "the Oracle" says to Tartarus, "please be gentle with this reclaimer, she is delicate", or something close to that. So no, it is not the Spartans, but the humans in general it seems.

The Ark is most definitely on Earth, if not Earth itself.

Anyone else find it ironic that the most anticipated game is here, and already we anticipate the next one? And Cortana's definitely going to be fucked up.

[EarlyDawn]

Originally Posted by Angel_of_Death

Just finished the game...

amazing. I loved it.

Didn't it say that the one place where the MC went to help out on Earth (don't think they named it) was the only place the Covies decided to attack, and with only one cruiser, the one with Regret on?

Hm. This is true. I still liked the announcement trailer, though. It gave the impression that we are completely screwed.

[Angel_of_Death]

Originally Posted by EarlyDawn

Hm. This is true. I still liked the announcement trailer, though. It gave the impression that we are completely screwed.

Aye, nothing beats being completely screwed .

Just came back from the HBO forum. What a disaster, but a lot of people make some good points. And the more I think about it, the more the ending does piss me off. Well not the ending, more like the situation...now we have to wait until two thousand and never to finish the story, probably on a new console I most likely won't get.

Gr, legendary time, and with subtitles. Lots of things slipped my ears, I'm finding out, which will slightly satisfy my curiosity and knowledge. Then I need to find out how to get the new map, Foundation. Seems like nobody actually knows.

[firecrackerNC]

Im a bit pissed that no Spartans lived. I had heard a while back that 3 more Spartans had lived and they join the MC and stuff. This never happened which sucks.

[EarlyDawn]

Originally Posted by firecrackerNC

Im a bit pissed that no Spartans lived. I had heard a while back that 3 more Spartans had lived and they join the MC and stuff. This never happened which sucks.

Yep, that was another issue of irritation. They totally threw First Strike out the window.

[Angel_of_Death]

It says nothing 'bout the other Spartans, so their lives are up in the air. Sadly, only a small percentage of Halo fans have read the books so they couldn't put too much in that only those who read the books would fully understand. Damn, and I was hoping too see what happened to Dr. Halsey and Kelly.

Well, I'm almost sure there'll be a book released on the game, as they did with Halo. That will most likely explain some lost elements.

[Rbstr]

Originally Posted by EarlyDawn

Well, Spartan Shields and possibly components of the armor are derived from Covenant technology, which is in turn derived from Forerunner technology.

Its entirely possible that is the reason for the confusion of GS, or it could possibly be that he simply thinks that when the Forerunners hid away in the Arc, they changed over time. Thus, when he sees Master Chief with shields indirectly adapted from Foreunner tech, he believes he sees the post-Halo development of his master race.

but elites have shields too.

[Doop]

For anyone who's confused:

Apparently, between First Strike and Halo 2, some event must have happened in which the Master Chief and the remaining Spartans are seperated. Maybe they died, or just went to Earth alone, we don't know. Somehow they meet up with the Cairo, and the gang gets on.

The Ark is some kind of temple on Earth. I theorize this because, first off for you to understand this completely, the Great Journey is a holy adventure in Covenant lore of activating the Haloes, and "burning a path into the divine beyond", and giving "salvation to all". They don't know that Halo is actually meant to stop the Flood. The Great Journey isn't killing humanity.

If the Covenant -really- wanted Earth destroyed, they would have glassed it like they did Reach, from space. But instead, they are ejecting troops on it to CAPTURE it. This is because they know the Ark is on Earth and they need it to fulfill their religion.

The Forerunner ship Master Chief is on contains the Prophet of Truth. The Covenant is already diminishing since the Elites, Grunts and Hunters split from the Brutes, Drones, Jackals and Prophets. If Master Chief kills the last bit of glue still holding the Covenant together, Truth, the Covenant will totally break apart, and will basically forget about humanity.

And last, the Gravemind. Apparently he is the central consciousness of the Flood. He's an organic lifeform that has been rooted in Delta Halo for eons, supposedly. How he teleports? He uses Penitent Tangent's teleporting ability.
After the credits, when he asks Cortana to answer his questions, he just wants to know what's going on and what has been happening. He's been underground for a long time.

Edit: I dunno if anyone said all this. I haven't read all of this thread. That's my theory.

[Infernus]

Erm... Cairo isn't a ship... Cairo is an orbital MAC.