French Warfare History - Page 4

mistled · 2003-02-14, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by Arshune
You should be very worried about Korea, they've gone so far as to reject U.N. authority over them and have also stated that they will wage war with the US unless we comply to their terms. I guess someone forgot to tell them that being able to reach the western limits of the country doesn't exactly compare with being able to sink their entire peninsula.

That fits exactly into the theory I described. They are threatening the US and UN because they want aid.

Arshune · 2003-02-14, 09:50 PM

Oh yeah, you also said something about countries that break treaties...well one of the provisions of the NPT was that a country had to give 4 months' notice to withdraw, and Korea just declared themselves to be withdrawn with complying to that provision. They didn't announce they were breaking the treaty so much as they just outright broke it.

They probably do only want aid, but I don't think a country that behaves that way deserves it. If a single person is punished for anti-social behavior, then I don't see why it should be any different for an entire country.

Navaron · 2003-02-14, 09:51 PM

Unfortunately for their dumb asses, they've managed to piss off China, Russia, and Japan, who have all promised a unified first strike if korea gets froggy.

mistled · 2003-02-14, 09:53 PM

See?? The US doesn't have to be the world police this time. Other countries are already on it.

Arshune · 2003-02-14, 10:01 PM

I'm saying it's a matter of principle though, and matters of principle seem to be what they're basing their attack on Iraq on. "Oh, he'll PROBABLY attack us when he gets the chance" vs. "they've THREATENED to attack us if we don't do for their people what they should be doing themselves instead of making bombs in the basement." It seems to me like Korea should at the very least be getting more media attention.

mistled · 2003-02-14, 10:06 PM

I think it's just a matter of one thing at a time. Winning in Iraq will only take a week and a half once we get started. Then we can deal with North Korea. Until then, China, Russia, and Japan can handle it.

JacenX · 2003-02-14, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by {BOHICA}mistled
The US is not 40% of the world's population. There are 6 billion people on the planet. 287 million of them are American. (source) That's a little under 5%.

I wasn't talking about population but pollution... And i overdid a lil the number, USA s more than 20% of the global warming pollution (and not 40% :o), but it's already a lot as you're not even 5% of the mankind...

"It's the nations that break the treaties, but tell you that they aren't that you should be worried about. "
Then we should worry about USA, aren't you supposed to stop making biological weapons?

HA sorry, you're not produing them, it s just for science...

:o

As we say in french, "i'm talking in the wind" (aka for nothin), but blocking Iraq, and having a 24/7 survey by UN soldiers could maybe stop the terrorist threat...
There are some stuff illogical in this story. If Saddam has WDMs why didn't he use them before, in gulf war "1"? for example? If he didn't use them cause he hadn't enough, I think it would be very very weird to discover that Saddam had been able to build WDMs under the noise of USA... Then why would Bin Laden bother trying to take weapons from Iraq which under an enormous military pressure while he can buy old nuclear stuff to the Russian mafia?

Don't take it bad, but, i think you're overdoing Saddam threat just to feel safier, you're afraid to understand that there are problems worst than him. He is in a prison, he tried to hide himself for the 10 last years, i think he wants to stay in power as many time as he'll be able to, I don't think he will ever attack USA cause this would mean almost instantaneous death for him, principally if Iraq is under close UN survey. Now imagine a little what can Bin Laden do with his millions of saudis dollar, there are lot of easier "ways" to get WDMs.

I think attacking Iraq is too much risk for too few :/ "idon'trememberwhatnewspaper" said something like "only an imbecile or a french would not see Iraq as a big threat after Colin Powell demonstratin in feb 5", well the point is Colin Powel demonstration was a joke, with no proofs at all, only speculations and old pictures, if you're gonna attack only cause you have speculations, you should look at Russia, North Korea etc, maybe even USA. That reminds me, as a conclusion, a joke in a french humoristic program :
american representant : "All right, this time we got real proofs Iraq bought WDMs and didn't declared them in their UN 12 000 pages document. We can ATTACK!
reporter : What? what are those proofs?
american : Here, look, we still have the bills...." :o

mistled · 2003-02-14, 10:26 PM

damn, I should actually read threads before I comment... I'm more tired than I thought... I could have sworn we were talking about population... oh well...

So basically, we just disagree on the threat level Saddam poses. I see him as a threat to my country and since I know we can win a war in under a month, I'm all for it. We are already fighting the war against terrorism. Nav or MrVicchio can probably give you the numbers better than I can, but huge numbers of Al-Qaeda members and leaders have been caught or killed. It's not like we have to deal with one or the other. We can do both. We're a pretty big country, after all.

... and yeah, you probably should worry about the US

...some of us are sneaky as hell...

Lexington_Steele · 2003-02-14, 10:32 PM

JacenX, don't take what you read in this forum as representative of all American viewpoints. The popular opinion of this forum seems to be very conservative republican (as you might have noticed by all the bush avatars). Many of us Americans HATE Bush. Realize that the political opinions, that you read here, are congruent to something you would read in a freeper publication. I don't hate the french and neither does most of America (although we all enjoy a good joke at the expense of the french every now and again).

Another warning in advance: Many of the people in this forum are under the impression that America can do no wrong and that all of America's forign policy is rightous and morally correct. Stating otherwise will result in seizures, foul language, vomiting, flaming, and possible small pox outbreaks.

mistled · 2003-02-14, 10:40 PM

It should also be noted that most Americans are fucking idiots. (I actually think this applies to most of the world population, but I know more Americans than any other nationality, so I'll only extend my comment as far as the US)

JacenX · 2003-02-14, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by {BOHICA}mistled
I think it's just a matter of one thing at a time. Winning in Iraq will only take a week and a half once we get started.

I hope it'll take more time (what about never?

) than that before seeing new terrorist attacks in USA...

JacenX · 2003-02-14, 10:58 PM

Lol, right, it's good to see "normal" ppl who doesn't read the New York Post and who do have common sense :o

"How are smart ppl called in USA?
-tourists!"

SandTrout · 2003-02-14, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by {BOHICA}mistled
It should also be noted that most Americans are fucking idiots. (I actually think this applies to most of the world population, but I know more Americans than any other nationality, so I'll only extend my comment as far as the US)

Maybe we should get a "Down with France" smiley?

I agree with the original post for the most part, but the US lost to the Vietcong as well, and that was the only war we realy lost(had a few ties and a burnt white-house).

The French are just impeading the rest of NATO at this point, and I think they should just leave NATO and let us get on with it. I don't have anything against the French people in particular, but their Gov. is starting to piss me off. The Germans at least are only saying they wont support an atack on Iraq, but probably wont impead it either.

There is definately an anit-France slant in these forums though.

mistled · 2003-02-14, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by JacenX
I hope it'll take more time (what about never? ) than that before seeing new terrorist attacks in USA...

I hope so to, but I don't think it will. I think that currently terrorists are waiting for us to attack Iraq now that it is certain that we are going to. They want it to appear that they are attacking the US because we started the war with Iraw, thus increasing anti-war sentiment within the country. Sad thing is, it may work.

.. and no one said anything about being normal...

Navaron · 2003-02-14, 11:43 PM

Cause I got called out...

We've captured over 60 high ranking officers of Al queda, and we've waxed over 300 (intentionally), and captured somewhere over 2,ooo other schmucks.