So is the Prowler going to suck like it did in PS1?

[BuzzCutPsycho]

It seems to be the argument here, if we are talking about the context of AV here then the Prowler was great, just because it was hard to gun doesn't make it bad by your own admission.

I never said the Prowler was "hard to gun"

If you want to get into multi vehicle then can you honestly say a Reaver would lose to a vannie just because it had that 20mm that could barely aim up?

Nobody is arguing that.

That was at best an irritation. By the numbers 1 fully manned prowler nearly had the DPS of 2 vannies [420 vs 450] but tbh if you get 1 more guy and 2 prowlers you exceed the vannies and negate the armor difference with 600 DPS. It wasn't much slower either.

Wow... are we really going to revisit this? Here, let me break it down like it's already been done a page or so ago.

To reach full combat potential for the Prowler you need 3 people.
To reach full combat potential for the Vanguard you need 2 people.

To run two Prowlers you need 6.
To run two Vanguards you need 4.

A full squad (10) can run at most 3 fully crewed Prowlers.
A full squad (10) can run at most 5 Vanguards.

5 Vanguards is greater than 3 Prowlers. Prowlers were "balanced" around the third gunner which is a flawed design concept. Not only was the tank weaker, slower, and a bigger target but it also required a larger crew to bring it up to balance with other tanks hence the tank was shit.

Just because the driver sucked and failed to take into account that fighting a maggie on water wasn't clever doesn't make the vehicle bad, again by your own logic. So whats the complaint?

Straw Man.

If you had said it was harder for the general populace to use and therefore it became inferior such as the Lasher did on VS I'd be more with you.

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[Goku]

I did quite a bit of driving with a Vanguard back in PS to the point my gunner and I could take out most tanks without issue. However when we came across a experienced Prowler crew we just got wrecked most of the time if I made a single mistake.

[BuzzCutPsycho]

What... the mistake of not seeing that big bulbous hull as it was closing in on you?

[Figment]

1. Full crew is not necessary on Prowler. 15mm can be ignored, 20mm is not firing at the Prowler either, is it?
2. That makes for five Prowlers vs five Vanguards.
3. As said before, you are one of those TRs hanging on to the illusion that a Prowler NEEDS to be fully crewed.

To reach its full potential, YES, to rival a Vanguard, NO.

[Checowsky]

Originally Posted by BuzzCutPsycho

Wow... are we really going to revisit this? Here, let me break it down like it's already been done a page or so ago.

To reach full combat potential for the Prowler you need 3 people.
To reach full combat potential for the Vanguard you need 2 people.

To run two Prowlers you need 6.
To run two Vanguards you need 4.

A full squad (10) can run at most 3 fully crewed Prowlers.
A full squad (10) can run at most 5 Vanguards.

5 Vanguards is greater than 3 Prowlers. Prowlers were "balanced" around the third gunner which is a flawed design concept. Not only was the tank weaker, slower, and a bigger target but it also required a larger crew to bring it up to balance with other tanks hence the tank was shit.

Prowler has hard to gun 'waaaaaaaa' appears to be the topic, why else state the Thundy was easy.


As for those maths Y U HAV 15mm GUNNER?

Seriously my point was you don't need him, its pointless. Do the maths on my maths, I didn't include the 15mm gunner because it isn't needed. Those vannies at 'full fighting stength' have nothing more than 2 prowlers with no 15mm gunners, in fact they have less. What happens if a Reaver comes?! Either side is screwed, since when were MBTs AA? This is PS we're talking about. Those vannies wouldn't stand any more of a chance because they can't do both AA and AV at the same time.

So I say again, what is you point here?

[BuzzCutPsycho]

1. Full crew is not necessary on Prowler. 15mm can be ignored, 20mm is not firing at the Prowler either, is it?

More accurate. Harder hitting, easier to use, etc.

2. That makes for five Prowlers vs five Vanguards.

And if they are of equal skill the Vanguards win.

3. As said before, you are one of those TRs hanging on to the illusion that a Prowler NEEDS to be fully crewed.

Except it has been stated before that the Prowler was balanced around that third slot being filled and that 15MM gun operational.

To reach its full potential, YES, to rival a Vanguard, NO.

To be equal to a Vanguard? Yes.

[BuzzCutPsycho]

Originally Posted by Checowsky

Prowler has hard to gun 'waaaaaaaa' appears to be the topic, why else state the Thundy was easy.

"Delta Try-Hard"

As for those maths Y U HAV 15mm GUNNER?

Because the tank is balanced around having the 15MM gun.

So I say again, what is you point here?

Apparently the point has switched from the Prowler in PS2 not being balanced around having a third gunner to explaining to the drooling masses why balancing around the third gunner in PS1 was bad.

[Firefly]

Prowler was shit, that's really all there is to it. Don't give me any of that crap about whiny TR not knowing how to use their weapons, either. The only way a Prowler was ever effective was having three-to-one odds. Three Prowlers to one enemy tank, which means a full squad versus two guys.

It was slow, it had a huge fucking profile, and regardless of whether or not the third gunner could operate independently a single Prowler versus any other tank was absolute garbage. So what it could ward off air? Until everyone and their mom flew a Mosquito trying to be KAAOS, DT, Oxford comma, and TRx, that didn't mean a thing.

When I foot-slogged it I was more concerned about being run over by a Magrider or hit by the Vanguard than I was any enemy with a hijacked Prowler. Honestly, being killed by a stolen Prowler was about as insulting as being killed by a Beamer.

[ArcIyte]

There's a reason TR were the most prone to footzerging

I'm confident they won't revisit PS1's flaws in PS2. Already we've seen a picture of the Prowler next to the other tanks, and it's smaller than both of them.

[Firefly]

Originally Posted by ArcIyte

There's a reason TR were the most prone to footzerging

I'm confident they won't revisit PS1's flaws in PS2. Already we've seen a picture of the Prowler next to the other tanks, and it's smaller than both of them.

Nice avatar. Kasrkin is one of my next commission projects.

[TacosWLove]

Im not reading through 4 pages of argument.

I am simply here to say, teh fucking prowler kicked arse! and...

WHATCHU TALKIN BOUT WILLIS?

[Juniata]

Originally Posted by TacosWLove

Im not reading through 4 pages of argument.

I am simply here to say, teh fucking prowler kicked arse! and...

WHATCHU TALKIN BOUT WILLIS?

I'd have to agree with that. I always enjoyed driving/gunning the prowler.

If you had a decent crew and played it smart, the prowler would kick ass the majority of the time. Just avoid a snipping war with a Mag and don't run in a straight line when attacking a Vannie.

[Aurmanite]

I think this thread might contain a few people doing a little grass is greener thinking. The Prowler did not suck, it was a bad motherfucker. Perhaps you and the people you played with sucked, but it definitely wasn't the tank that was the problem.

The theorycrafting about numbers and squads is just small time thinking. The game never played out as precisely as your numbers suggest. If you had 2 fully manned Prowler you weren't guaranteed to run into 3 other tanks, Planetside wasn't a match based with mirrored sides...remember?

I know from a vast amount of experience with all three tanks that anyone claiming that the Prowler sucks is ignorant. It had its issues and I agree that the other tanks functioned slightly better all things considered, but I kicked an amazing amount of ass with it. If I could do it, there's no reason you all couldn't have done it.

Unless you suck.

Edit:
Auto correct owned the fuck out of me.

[ringring]

This 2nd gunner thing is soooooo 2005 ......

the prowler is a beast. I'd bet myself in a prowler against a vannie and against a magrider close-up any day.

But what has that got to do with ps2? They're completely different animals but I bet the mag kicks arse this time around.

[Figment]

Originally Posted by ArcIyte

There's a reason TR were the most prone to footzerging.

Yes, it was called the Striker.

NC did not have that luxury.