Everyone, please look here. Serious.

[Confectrix]

oh yes lex and you honestly believe when this is all over that the Us will just pillage Iraq and demand American companies contracts.

That would look twice as bad for us.

Not only would we be immoral but we'd be a liar.

I don't think the administration is doing that gamble.

The Us have never pillaged; we won't start now.

[SilentCacophony]

I've always loved how straight military grave sites are.

Hmmm, maybe the french just don't want to do all that digging again. The U.S. may have helped out France, but it was WAR that put them there. If the U.S. was invaded, I'm sure they'd help. Iraq hasn't invaded the U.S. yet, have they? Maybe I missed something.... (and no 9/11 wasn't Iraq)

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by Confectrix
oh yes lex and you honestly believe when this is all over that the Us will just pillage Iraq and demand American companies contracts.

We won't have to pillage persay. Since the Iraqi government will consist of a US administration, we can controll their foreign policy and trade policies.

As it stands right now, the US oil companies have no post sanction era oil deals with Iraq (that is 0 barrels of oil ). We are not going to be taking all of the oil, however US oil companies will be getting much more oil from Iraq than they would if there was no war (anything will be more than 0 barrels of oil).

[Gortha]

Okay Lex...
This sentence wasn�t good worded.

Oil is the scourge of the world.
I know that france, russia etc. have oil-contracs or national oil-companies have... .

This is a international oil-conflict between many nations.
The fear of the countries is and it is a qualified fear that the US when they control Iraq and its oil can blackmail them.

So why should france, germany and russia crouch into US-Administrations ass? They will lose their autonomy.

Greetz
Gortha

[SilentCacophony]

Noooo, the U.S. has never pillaged and taken over land. Hey, let's go out to a native reserve and speak a little more on that topic.

[�io]

Originally posted by SilentCacophony
Noooo, the U.S. has never pillaged and taken over land. Hey, let's go out to a native reserve and speak a little more on that topic.

Ok i got speak up for just 2 seconds to say VERY nice comeback Silent.

[KoldFusion]

BTW the main battle in vietnam that involved the french and the one the really got them angry with us with the battle of "dien bien phu" they were foolish enough to believe that they could dictate to the North when and where to fight by putting the bulk of the french army in one spot with mountains all around.... they felt that b/c of that the vietmanese would have to assualt from the front w/o artillery. However the Vietmanese got the artillery to the top by dismantling and carrying it up in pieces and reassembling it.... they also took to digging tunnels underneath the french and they popped out and blew them away. The french didn't know what hit them.... the siege lasted 76 days.... during that time the french asked for help from us in the form of air support. To make a long story short we refused and the french were obliterated.

[SilentCacophony]

Yeah, you'd be surprised how often I think of the natives when people talk about how great we are. They had a way of life that they were happy with. We came in with our own beliefs, our own government system, our own technology, our own diseases and fucked it all up. Some people may not have liked their system, but who were we to come in and screw it all up? The Native Americans had it the worst out of any civilization in the world. Intervention isn't always divine.

Just because it's YOUR way of thinking, people always feel it's the right one. Hmmmm, let's take that down to a smaller scale of thinking, and we got the exact same result for this debate and all the others on these forums.

[Bighoss]

the colonazation of America as well as the manifest destiny was a back handed Invasion. It was done slowly to people who were less developed in the ways of technology. I see nothing wrong with what Europe did either, they desired land, they found a lot, They took it. The Indians openly revolted a few times but we put down every single time. If they want there land back they can come and try to take it. Maybe we we should give all of Europe back to Italy if that's the mind set your in.

[OneManArmy]

so, Its all about the oil huh?

well we were there 10-12 years ago why didn't we take it then? America doesn't need thier oil. If I can find the surveys taken of this region you will see that North America does not need anybodys oil. lets keep going with the oil thing here. USA gets a lot of its oil from venezuela and other places within the Americas. yup, we are spending billions and billions of dollars to keep this thing going in iraq just for oil.. thats a way to make money. did it ever occur to you that we might be trying to get rid of a murdrous fellon that some how rules a country? no, not you, its much easier to pick up a sign and h8 the usa than it is to look at facts and reason.

Please get off your god damn america bashing soap boxes and do some fucking research.

[Confectrix]

Article worht a read:

"So You Say It's About Oil?

The Bush administration, in preparation for the possible ouster of Saddam Hussein and any aftereffects that may entail, is soliciting bids for reconstruction and improvement projects in Iraq.

"Sure," you say, "they're looking for companies to rebuild the oil production capacity after the war."

Wrong.

The huge contracts, worth almost a billion dollars initially, are for roads, bridges, schools, hospitals and even mosques that might be damaged.

The U.S. is also soliciting emergency bids from some of the nation's biggest construction giants so that we can move fast and show the Iraqi people that we are serious about helping.

The U.S. Agency for International Development is also seeking bids to repair other things that might be damaged in war, or that may simply be dilapidated or outdated, such as airports, the electrical grid, printing operations and the like.

Some of the large companies that will be bidding are Louis Berger Group, Bechtel Group, the Fluor Corporation, and yes, for all you conspiracy theorists out there, a subsidiary of Halliburton - Kellogg, Brown & Root - is developing plans to fight oil well fires in case Saddam lights up the Middle East by blowing up his wells.

Incidentally, the plans are being developed under an existing contract with the government because that is what KB&R does, not because Dick Cheney was the CEO, so let's calm down out there.

So it seems that, contrary to the main argument of appeasement activists, the only thing Iraqi oil will be used for is to build Iraq itself." - Tuesday, March 11, 2003 11:45 a.m. EST; [http://newsmax.com/showinside.shtml?a=2003/3/11/115859]

[mistled]

Originally posted by Bighoss
they desired land, they found a lot, They took it.

exactly, isn't this the way all countries get their land?? They take it from someone else??

ACtually, this is different because we are not attacking Iraq in an attempt to expand our borders. We aren't going in to take over. Hell, if that was the US mindset, we would have just taken France in WW2.

btw, since we get more oil from Canada than from most anywhere else, why aren't we invading them??

[Confectrix]

Or Mexico.

[mistled]

Yeah, some of these people who think the US is a bunch of war mongers need to explain why the US doesn't own all of North America.

[mistled]

Originally posted by Gortha
ohh yes your Grandfather... nice man. Poor man.

btw Gortha, maybe I'm just taking it incorrectly, but this comes across negatively to me (since you asked where I saw an insult at).