Reddit Style Voting for Six Month Plan - Page 4

Soothsayer · 2013-01-24, 03:47 PM

This is going to be like the White House death star petition.

I get that it was funny and cute and everything. Everybody was able to talk about it for a while, that was great. I get it.

Now a system that was intended to increase citizen participation and engagement with policy planning has had the bar raised for all projects, not just ones that everybody knows are a joke. They had to, because the bureaucracy can't pick and choose which projects are jokes and which ones aren't. To have a gatekeeper would negate the open forum nature of the concept. (As a disclaimer, that is my understanding of the situation based on the media reports that reached me, I don't live in the states.)

When you get asinine or ill informed and poorly planned projects getting the green light because someone was able to mobilize a bunch of mouse clicks, there's a problem.

NewSith · 2013-01-24, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by ShadetheDruid

I really don't envy developers these days. Half the time it's "why don't devs listen to the playerbase", the other half of the time it's "why are you listening to these people, they're stupid" (from both "sides").

They can't really win.

The difference between voting and, say - a contest (like [MDMI]) is that voting says - here's what we'll give you, no need to know the rest. MDMI, on the other hand, includes "this is what I propose and how I propose it to be implemented".

In other words:
MDMI - good idea, though it's just that reddit doesn't have the proper rep (and I myself consider that deserved)
Voting - bad idea, on any source, even on PSU.

Trythios · 2013-01-24, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by ShadoViper

I'm with you on this Hamma. This seems like it could really backfired, maybe not.

Another alternative off the top of my head, would be a council of plays that we could elect. But once again that could just be another popularity contest and how would That really even work.

On a side note; not to sound arrogant as hell, but I wonder how hard it really must be to communicate and get a general idea of what the community wants? And even then, does it really matter what most want? Half the people don't even understand what it takes to make content or the balance Eco system.

The council thing is already done, EVE Online has it and has for many years. They sometimes go to the Devs offices to discuss the direction of the game, given it is nearly 100% player driven.

It is hard though, as I stated previously, numbers given by Devs of other MMO's display that less than 20% of the active playerbase ever reads/posts on forum. Generally people avoid them because forums is the easiest and quickest way to become jaded with a game. Given that it is usually dominated by loudmouths.

They have to gauge with something, doesn't matter if it's a voting system or a forum. Result will be the same. What matters is how they decide to USE it for implementation.

-Try

Ruffdog · 2013-01-24, 03:54 PM

How about to qualify to vote you must have had a toon that has logged 12 hours in-game or more, to stop infinite bullshit accounts?

Rahabib · 2013-01-24, 03:57 PM

fyi: this is how its going to work.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Planetside/c...tstyle_system/

Chewy · 2013-01-24, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by NewSith

Here's a simplified example.
You have 7 people on a deserted island and all of you have an access to a chopper. Nobody except you knows who can fly a chopper. 1 guy can. So would you blindly select the chopper pilot by vote or actually select a pilot that knows how to fly the chopper?

That's about it. Democracy can be a great system, IF those that are voting are informed of what they are voting on. If the voters don't know, or care, about what the vote is on then it will ALWAYS end bad.

I say that if this voting is to stay then it needs to be limited to players of the game ONLY. Maybe even go as far as having at least one hour of play time and have the account made before a certain date (like being 18 to vote in the US) as mandatory for a vote. Something as proof that you know what it is you're voting on.

Edit-
Can someone link me a "How To" on reading reddit? I have never understood a forum setup that destroys the timeline. Having a post up voted and a branching discussion form it is fine. But when they chop up a time line and Im reading crap from days ago that have little meaning to what I need today, it confuses the fuck out of me.
Plus Im out of time (and lazy) to find one myself foir the next few hours.

NewSith · 2013-01-24, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Rahabib

fyi: this is how its going to work.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Planetside/c...tstyle_system/

Okay, props to Smed, I'm waiting until the 6-month plan release 'till I have my mind completely set on the proposed system.

Rockit · 2013-01-24, 04:07 PM

LOL here's how I look at it. I have my own 6 month plan in real life and no one votes on that except me. It isn't worth my time anymore to concern myself with this crap. I am pretty sure the train wreck option for this game is locked up.

NewSith · 2013-01-24, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Rockit

LOL here's how I look at it. I have my own 6 month plan in real life and no one votes on that except me. It isn't worth my time anymore to concern myself with this crap. I am pretty sure the train wreck option for this game is locked up.

My change of attitude is dictated by this:

It's all based on what you have in your plan. If you plan to kill somebody in 6 motths, then making it a vote will be better for you first and foremost.

Hence as I said I'm giving this idea one more day.

EDIT:
Basically if the list includes things that greatly affect the gameplay: e.g. Solo MBTs, that I'm for, I remind you, or "Lines Adjoining Territories That Impart Continental Edge" System aka L.A.T.T.I.C.E, which I'm against, than I'm all against the voting. If the list includes changes that are not going to have such an impact then you can be democrats all you like. As long as you first announce the new plan everytime and ask if the voting is necessary.

Javelin · 2013-01-24, 04:15 PM

For the folks that don't want to go reddit to see this, here:

I wanted to take the time to explain what this system is and isn't. It's basically a new section in our normal forums that will be called Roadmap. In this section we will set up topics that relate to the things in our roadmap. The purpose is to have active discussion of the entire roadmap. There is a reddit style scoring system that allows people to upvote and downvote things. That's going to give us some rough idea of how people feel about a particular roadmap idea.

Does this mean we're changing it to "the mob rules"? absolutely not. It's just a simple tool for us to be able to gauge sentiment about a particular topic. Remember it's still a forum thread (although with cool nested comments) and we'll still be reading what people are actually saying.

However if we list 5 topics for February and people highly vote 4 of those 5 and everyone hates on one of the ideas, it's fair to say that's going to get our attention.

In addition we're going to be implementing a new suggestion area with this same functionality that will allow users to create new threads. This likely won't go live tomorrow. This new functionality is in QA right now but it's likely to still have some bugs when you all jump in there. So we want to start with just the Roadmap section.

For the haters out there that say mobs dumb down games - I just flat out disagree with you that it's going to happen here. We have a vision for this game. You're going to see that tomorrow. Will it be one you like? I hope so. Will you agree with the order we're doing things? maybe.. maybe not. Probably not in some cases. Will be move things to more closely mirror the order you want things done? Sometimes yes.. sometimes it's not possible because of development time.

This is just another way for you to have your say in the future of Planetside 2. We want this to be a game we all share the vision for.

Thanks

Smed

Meatball Mobeus · 2013-01-24, 04:15 PM

Totally with Hamma on this one. Just because there are a lot of people going for it doesn't mean its a well thought out plan.

AThreatToYou · 2013-01-24, 04:26 PM

Democracy doesn't work anymore. People are too stupid.

Ruffdog · 2013-01-24, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Meatball Mobeus

Totally with Hamma on this one. Just because there are a lot of people going for it doesn't mean its a well thought out plan.

QFT

So many crashed house parties on Facebook

Rat · 2013-01-24, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Crator

Don't use Reddit that much myself. How easy is it to create an account? Couldn't one just create multiple accounts to up the vote for an idea? This sound exploitable.

I dont think anyone is going to create 2487 accounts to try to influence a vote.

maradine · 2013-01-24, 04:52 PM

Oh?