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[Ignore Me] #691 | ||||
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Btw, I don't really proclaim to know what happened there, basically what WGT said. However, the stronger case, from what I've seen, suggests Warborn's side to be correct. I do think Warborn was early at his conclusions and strawmanned Zimmerman's intensions here and there, but he doesn't have a completely baseless opinion on this case given the available evidence doesn't set Zimmerman in a shining beacon of light with angels singing quietly in the background. In the end, it looks to me like a non-premeditated murder, stemming from self-fullfilling black hoodie stereotype paranoia, an overgrown sense of vigilantism and some slight self-importance and amateurism, bad gunlaws and of course a piss-poor social-economical situation for black people that leads to that stereotype paranoia. Pre-meditated racial murder? No. Intended murder? No. Manslaughter? Probably. Racial profiling and stereotyping involved in the incident? Yes, but probably not entirely conscious or intended (but intuitive). Self-defense? Depends on what transpired and who felt most threatened by who and therefore made the first move. To me stalking would however seem threatening. Instigator of incident? Zimmerman on all counts. Could either have made moves to prevent the event from escalating to a gunshot? Most likely yes, considering Zimmerman had the gun, he's most responsible for this. Unfortunate and unwanted incident and coming together of circumstances for all involved? Definitely. Thing is, one guy is dead and he wasn't the instigator of the incident. Last edited by Figment; 2012-07-18 at 04:58 PM. |
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[Ignore Me] #692 | ||||
As for being open minded, watch his re-enactment, listen to the detectives rip him apart oh-so-gently in their interrogation, and read the judge's opinion when he granted Zimmerman the $1 million bail. There's keeping an open mind, and then there's being taken for a ride by a known liar who has told multiple versions of what happened the night he killed Trayvon and spun a yarn which makes zero sense.
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[Ignore Me] #693 | |||
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What's disgusting to me is the way they have portrayed Trayvon as a poor innocent child, using a picture of him at 13 when he was almost 18. I have two boys, one that just turned 18 and one that turned 13 earlier this year, puberty changes a boy alot in those 4 years. It was misleading sensationalism. They called Zimmer a White-Hispanic, why? Cause let's be honest, a mexican killing a black just aint that big a deal, kid or otherwise. But a white person...well now you got a story...I mean really....if we applied that to Obama, that would make him a White African American.....you can go back a few posts and see where I think he is guilty of manslaughter.. even though...if you look up some of the background about what was happening in the neighborhood, what Trayvon was in trouble for, that zimmer probably did have that gut feeling the man he saw was suspicious. I wont say bad judgement on his part, when you get older, you understand or learn that more oft then not, that bad feeling you get just by looking at people, is right more than it is wrong. But over reacted definately and it led to a death. That is man slaughter. But this whole story of he hunted down a poor innocent black kid doesnt play out to me. Stand your ground doesnt apply in this case. That has already been ruled out I do believe. The purpose of SYG is because of what was told to me by a DA in TN....and I am not exaggerating one bit on this. We were in court for my kid getting jumped and in a fight. He was charged with simple battery as well. When I questioned the DA he said because my son didnt walk away he had committed a crime. Obviously I was confused, and asked, so wait...lt's illegal for you to defend yourself? His answer....In Tn, if you punched me in the face, I have a legal obligation to turn and walk away. I shit you not. I was so tempted to test that theory. Stand your ground is meant to make that idiocy obsolete. Tn actually passed a similiar law later that year. |
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[Ignore Me] #694 | ||
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Just a short update: Apparently, to Zimmerman, Trayvon's shooting was "God's plan".
So you guys have been right this entire time. Zimmerman didn't shoot Tryavon; God did. All we need to do is arrest that celestial fucker and get to the bottom of this. Updates on the manhunt for God will be provided as they come in. Stay tuned. |
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http://www.self-defender.net/law5.htm |
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[Ignore Me] #696 | ||
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A death is a death is a death. People die in a population of +7,000,000,000. You're insignificant, a resource. Your only goal is to further the Human race to the stars, and complete domination over the galaxy, than universe. I settle for nothing less.
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[Ignore Me] #699 | |||
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[Ignore Me] #700 | |||
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It's most often the other way around, they're thrown in jail...after a half-assed "investigation" instead of being promptly released. It's a classic strawman argument, i.e. "Well what about all these other crimes?" Answer: When they were caught, they were promptly thrown into jail and prosecuted. Last edited by Ninjacalypse; 2012-07-20 at 02:26 AM. |
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[Ignore Me] #702 | |||
Lieutenant General
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Thank you Malorn for explaining that to us so clearly! ![]() |
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[Ignore Me] #704 | |||
Also remember that Zimmerman lied about his finances and had his wife, who is now charged with perjury, lie as well. Read the judge's second bond decision where he remarks at how Zimmerman has attempted to deceive and manipulate the system at every opportunity. In short, the only indication that an unarmed kid with no history of violence, who wasn't on any drugs, attempted to murder a strange near his own home using his bare hands is the guy who shot and killed him's story. And as it turns out, the guy who shot him has a violent past himself, and is a known liar. Once you acquaint yourself with the case a little more you can let us know what you really think. |
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