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[Ignore Me] #709 | |||
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Whether Zimmerman had a bug on the back of his head or not, he had every right to defend himself. One less aggressor in the world, maybe one less bug too? |
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[Ignore Me] #710 | |||
There are numerous accounts describing different versions of the same event, some with Martin atop Zimmerman, others vice-versa. Nobody claims to have seen Zimmerman having his head hit against the ground. All of Zimmerman's injury claims were thrown out by the lead homicide investigator. Martin's hands had only a single small abrasion on them, while Zimmerman claimed to have been hit "20 - 30 times" in the face by Martin. The back of Zimmerman's head had superficial scratches on it, while the investigator mentions that people who get their heads hit against cement repeatedly end up severely injured. And Zimmerman claimed that he was both screaming for help and being suffocated at the same time, which would be impossible and considering the calls for help go right up until the single shot is fired, the investigators were not convinced. Honestly, this stuff is freely available. They've released the witness recordings. They've released the interrogation tapes. You can see Zimmerman doing the re-enactment. Why would you bother making assertions about the event that are obviously untrue when it'd be so simple to see what the actual evidence is with a couple keystrokes? |
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[Ignore Me] #711 | |||
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When a witness says that Martin had Zimmerman pinned and was assaulting him moments before the shooting, it's tough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was the aggressor. |
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[Ignore Me] #712 | ||
The witness statements are contradictory, and none of them ever said they saw Zimmerman's head being hit into the ground. So that claim that you made, that witnesses saw his head being hit in such a way, is false.
Zimmerman has provided multiple accounts of the events that night, has a violent past, and claims an unarmed child, alone, with no violent tendencies himself, attempted to kill him after running away from Zimmerman in the first place. As probable as it is that Zimmerman's story that Martin attacked him is yet another lie, it will be tough to prove that Zimmerman acted in a murder 2 fashion, but the good news is that in Florida he could still be nailed for manslaughter even if murder 2 doesn't stick. Manslaughter is what the homicide investigator, Detective Serino, wanted to charge him with initially anyway, and seems more appropriate to be honest. |
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[Ignore Me] #713 | |||
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[Ignore Me] #716 | |||
But there is also essentially no evidence that Zimmerman's life was actually in danger. His injuries were 100% superficial, and given the amount of lying he's done I find his story that this kind just up and tried to murder him one night. That isn't something people like Trayvon attempt to do without serious provocation. So, whatever Zimmerman is guilty of will come out during the trial next year. At this point I'm content to say he's guilty of killing a kid under ambiguous circumstances, and his past and currently ongoing behaviour suggests he's not someone to be trusted. So, like with OJ, even though the verdict hasn't come down yet, the evidence seems pretty clearly stacked in one direction. Although that doesn't mean I'm contending Zimmerman is guilty of murder 2 as the prosecution is charging him with. Last edited by Warborn; 2012-07-22 at 07:31 PM. |
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[Ignore Me] #718 | |||
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As for the 'Walk away' first rule.. like hell you are going to walk away from someone that is robbing you, threatening your life with a weapon themselves or any situation where your life is in danger. Different actions for different situations. |
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[Ignore Me] #719 | |||
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Last edited by SecSRaven; 2012-07-27 at 09:14 PM. |
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[Ignore Me] #720 | ||
Doesn't the fact that that Zimmerman was arrested and is being charged for 2nd degree murder mean that Stand Your Ground no longer applies? That's what the grand jury business was all about, wasn't it? People to whom SYG applies are immune from prosecution, according to the way the law seems to be written.
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