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Old 2003-01-21, 07:00 PM   [Ignore Me] #61
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YEAH, if it WAS recess I would stick a boogey on you!
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Old 2003-01-21, 07:03 PM   [Ignore Me] #62
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Well I love a good debate, but I hate personal attacks and the fun stops once someones feelings get hurt.

know what I mean?
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Old 2003-01-21, 07:14 PM   [Ignore Me] #63
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Yeah, I agreee.. I gueess the ill thing was too far...

Thats what I get ofr reading 8 political forums AND comming in here gets me..

My appologies to anyone offended.
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Old 2003-01-21, 07:32 PM   [Ignore Me] #64
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BTW That line was directed at no one person, but rather at a group of people that follow one particular lin of thinking. Anyone that took that personally.. wasn't aimed at you.
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Old 2003-01-21, 08:19 PM   [Ignore Me] #65
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I'd like to start by saying that I want Al Sharpton & Nancy Pelosi to run in the next elections as a team. They would personify everything that is currently wrong with the Democratic party without even trying hard. I wish three people could run so that they could add Tom Daschle to their little party. I would love to spend the election ripping on these three.

Having said that, let me get on to Lex's statements from earlier:
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I see many conservatives as self serving. I have said it before, big bussiness has shown us time and time again that they are unable to regulate themselves. They will exploit their employees and pollute the environment if it improves the profit margin.

How am I supposed to trust someone to look out for global interest when they are focused on their personal interests.
I know that this is practically impossible, but in all honesty, the federal government has no legal right to make the businesses do anything unless they are commiting acts that are a direct threat to the security of the United States. Other than that, it's all up to the individual States to do whatever their populations will let them get away with.

Are you an advocate for the legalization of Drugs? That is government invading our lives. Don't you trust people to make their own decisions while they are high?
Drugs can only be legally banned under the idea that someone under their influence is much more likely to hurt someone. It then falls under the classification of the federal government being able to protect it's citizens. I know it's a stretch, but that's all they have. Honestly, even that is no good sense by banning drugs, you are punishing people for crimes that they have not commited, which violates the concept of innocent until proven guilty. Other than that, as far as the Federal Government goes, yes I am. What the State governments do is their own business and if they choose to ban certain drugs, then fine.

Are you an advocate for repealing all criminal law. That is government invading our lives? Don't you trust people not to commit crimes?
Criminal law, again, falls under the protection of a country's citizens and therefore, is allowable under the Constitution. But most criminal law is State and local law, and our discussion hasn't really extended to them, so I'll stop on that subject.

Are you pro life? Isn't that government invading a womans body? Isn't that a traditional conservative view?
No, it's not the invading of a woman's body, actually. It's a person killing another. The government is merely protecting a future citizen in this case. As far as the biology behind this, it has been proven that a baby has seperate DNA from it's mother at the moment of conception and is therefore, legally, an entire seperate entity.

This all comes down to what is allowable in the US Constitution, and the truth is that not much of anything is allowed except the defense of the nation. Each state has it's own Constitution and much of this nonsense that the Federal government does illegally could, in fact, be legally done by the States, depending on how their individual Constitutions are written.

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- And please don't call out Navarone on CFR. Nav, go start another thread if you like.
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Old 2003-01-21, 08:33 PM   [Ignore Me] #66
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can only be legally banned under the idea that someone under their influence is much more likely to hurt someone. It then falls under the classification of the federal government being able to protect it's citizens.
I got here late, are we still talking about SUVs?
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Old 2003-01-21, 09:37 PM   [Ignore Me] #67
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Mistled, the streching the meaning of "protecting its citizens" has thus created the old slippery slope situation.

Since this clause has and can be streched, it is a matter of where you draw the line. It is a matter of what you consider protection of citizens. Some consider abortion to be none of governments bussiness, some do. Obviosly there is a "pick and choose" of which elements of government we desire. It is clearly not a simple matter of less government = better government.

I would say that any regulation of bussines in order to protect citizens would fit into this "protecting its citizens" clause.
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