Planetside 2 - ESport? - Page 5

Bags · 2012-05-31, 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by Xaine

Expected better from Bags.

Sorry I didn't live up to your expectation of mindlessly agreeing with you?

I dunno what else to say. I don't like the idea of small arena fights.

Xaine · 2012-05-31, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by Bags

Sorry I didn't live up to your expectation of mindlessly agreeing with you?

You didn't live up to my expectation of posting a constructive reply, rather than a dismissive one sentence answer, without any reason or points to back it up. If you don't like my idea. Say why. If you don't care about it. Don't post.

Forums are hard to use.

But you knew what i meant anyway. So why you just said that, i have no idea.

Notser · 2012-05-31, 12:55 AM

Planetside won't work as a competitive game, mmo plus modern shooter both equal dead on arrival. However, planetside will be fantastic to spectate and create highlight reels because the battles are so massive. Hopefully they support this through some type of replay feature so you can fly around and view massive gal drops and tank columns from above. Would love a halo style replay feature, that literally has kept halo in the top 5 console shooters because of community interest fueled by replays.

Vetto · 2012-05-31, 12:58 AM

As many have said PS just not E-sport the most I can see is large scale events with a prize for the winning Empire perhaps just a little sticker you can put on your armor to show your empire won said event.

Xaine · 2012-05-31, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by Notser

Planetside won't work as a competitive game, mmo plus modern shooter both equal dead on arrival. However, planetside will be fantastic to spectate and create highlight reels because the battles are so massive. Hopefully they support this through some type of replay feature so you can fly around and view massive gal drops and tank columns from above. Would love a halo style replay feature, that literally has kept halo in the top 5 console shooters because of community interest fueled by replays.

Planetside is a competitive game. I'm not really sure what you're getting at.

SKYeXile · 2012-05-31, 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by Xaine

Planetside is a competitive game. I'm not really sure what you're getting at.

Open world pvp games are not really classified as competitive, despite what SOE marketing will have you believe.

ZeroOneZero · 2012-05-31, 02:10 AM

I don't see how Ps2 can be used for Esport. We're talking about hundreds of players fighting in one area. I mean how many players does it take to make an outfit anyways? You want full pop, 100v100?

I've never seen an Esport supporting that many players. Each outfit will branch out and fight small skirmishes to take and hold capture points. Of course it has to be 1vs1 outfits and not 1v1v1, third faction might help one of the two. Then you got the problem of balancing and restricting. Just sounds like a headache then actual fun.

Then there will be technical problems, one of the 100+ players will complain his mouse isn't working, or he's getting lag spikes, because we all know that "one" player will change the tide of war.

If they did pull it off, it'll be pretty hard to maintain.

Mechzz · 2012-05-31, 02:15 AM

MMOFPS is not a great candidate to be an e-sport.

What might work is for SOE to record major battles and then provide a weekly edited highlights programme that could be transmitted on the TV networks and on the web. That way you could also see interviews with the major players, etc. It would help build the cult of celebrity around the game, build hype for expansions, etc.

I hope Pro7 might have plans along these lines, at least for Europe.

Nick · 2012-05-31, 03:17 AM

E-Sports = Awesome. They're actually starting to explode in the NA/European gaming scene because of Starcraft 2 and League of Legends. You don't have to watch them, but at least give it some respect as a gamer. Shit.

Higby already stated they're focusing on the main game first, and probably adding what I assume would be a smaller scaled, instanced area of the main game for even Outfit fights. 30 versus 30, or something.

In case anyone here is a youngster, or just seem to forgot in your senile old age, Planetside 1 is loosely based off another "larger scale" FPS game. Yep, Tribes. A game that was often played competitively and even shoutcasted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=igjM6KOm8ZE

Fable · 2012-05-31, 04:33 AM

Originally Posted by KTNApollo

PlanetSide will not make a good eSport. Being able to switch roles on the fly will cause way too much chaos, and will likely cause artificial rules to be created. In DotA and StarCraft, there are little to no artificial rules because the games are made to be played competitively. PlanetSide is not designed to be an eSport, so it will not become an eSport.

This, but I'll try to be more constructive.

Trying to make a game available for E-Sports is really difficult and imho not worth it unless it's really well made.

Think Starcraft
- The game is balanced (mostly an assumption, haven't see many SC2 competitions)
- It's easy to follow because there are only two players, it's easy to spectate.
- And overall, the game is very well suited for e-sports

Same with LoL, DotA and CS - these games are obviously made for e-sports from scratch

Even the newly made ShootMania - they have made the game for competitive gameplay. The option to create custom maps is what will make the game succesfull.

You can't do that with the core gameplay of Planetside. SOE will have to create something completely different for e-sports the way we think about it - shoutcasting and everything.

There will have to be something that differentiates PS2 from other games. You may think the scale would be the thing, but that will be very difficult to organize and shoutcast. And not many teams will try to compete if it would be 60vs60 or something like that.

It's true that in LoL, there are about 15 famous teams, which would be somehow possible to do in PS2, but that would be all there is. In the monthly tournament in LoL, there are literally hundrers of teams who try their best to get to play with the most famous. I don't see that hapenning in PS2 if the scale is what's supposed to differentiate it from other FPSs. There's not many other things that can do that.

Snipefrag · 2012-05-31, 04:42 AM

I can only see the devs really pushing this when they have nothing else to do in the game, there are so many other things i would prefer to see. I like the concept but it shouldn't have a big place in the game, maybe just one of events supported and moderated by CSR's on a locked down custom island.

Sabot · 2012-05-31, 04:56 AM

Only way I see possible to have any kind of shoutcast is if they put of an event kind-of thing. Were they have one faction, with all its outfits (plus all random players that want to join in, of course) invade a continent controlled by another faction, and they add some kind of spectating feature, an invisible flying camera or something, and they comment on the battle.

The problem is, the third faction will most likely join in, as they can't deny one factin access just because of this... it wouldn't be fun. Also the battle can go on for hours and hours.. I don't know how fun it would be to watch the battle for that long.. and how many would actually watch? Most people would probably be playing.

Small arenas that not are in the main world so to speak.. a separate arena you load into, where outfit vs outfit battles can take place for a couple of hours with commentary all that, could work. The problem with that is.. do the outfits want that? I know I'd rather be with the rest of my faction, kicking ass on whatever continent is currently being ravaged by a three way.

And the battles are tough to comment on in themselves because of the size of it all. If you do a close view of 1-4 infantry dudes you miss out on so much other stuff going on, and if you do a 'camera in the sky' type thing, you don't see any details in the battles. You could switch between the two, but that is also hard to do as the battles are very dynamic and you can't really just follow one group all the time... again, you miss out on alot and they might be dying a lot. So you switch out for an over view of the battle and at that point some does something awesome somewhere and you miss it caouse you have no idea whats going on at ground level.

Rant over... but I hope you get my point.

kaffis · 2012-05-31, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Malorn

PlanetSide 2 - Massive Combat... on a private server... between two clans.

You're killing me!

But.. what if the teams were HUGE!? 400-man eSports teams!!!!

Rumblepit · 2012-05-31, 10:02 AM

..... outfit wars will be implemented!!!!! this is fact!!! when said system is put into place it will be segregated from the rest of the world, god knows you dont want to loose your outfit base to a noob with a os who has nothing to do with the fight. we will have to wait and see what happens.

all the nay sayers in this thread are not in alpha, so they bases of their arguments come from planetside 1!!!! dont bother to argue with these people anymore, you wont win, its like debating a women, no offense ladies .... we are trying to state what could be..... devs are saying competitive gameplay is one of their main goals, espotrs have been talked about over and over again by the devs, the CEO says there will be outfit vs outfit wars, and outfit bases..... this thread was based on theses facts!!!!!!! FACTS!!!!!

if you dont like the direction the game is going, contact the COE, or one of the many DEVS.

having a competitive aspect in ps2 will only help the game. COE and the DEVs know this.

Fable · 2012-05-31, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Rumblepit

..... outfit wars will be implemented!!!!! this is fact!!! when said system is put into place it will be segregated from the rest of the world, god knows you dont want to loose your outfit base to a noob with a os who has nothing to do with the fight. we will have to wait and see what happens.

all the nay sayers in this thread are not in alpha, so they bases of their arguments come from planetside 1!!!! dont bother to argue with these people anymore, you wont win, its like debating a women, no offense ladies .... we are trying to state what could be..... devs are saying competitive gameplay is one of their main goals, espotrs have been talked about over and over again by the devs, the CEO says their will outfit vs outfit wars, and outfit bases..... this thread was based on theses facts!!!!!!! FACTS!!!!!

if you dont like the direction the game is going, contact the COE, or one of the many DEVS.

having a competitive aspect in ps2 will only help the game. COE and the DEVs know this.

Calm down. No reason to be that aggresive.