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Originally Posted by maradine

You see interaction with a real physics model as limiting and stifling to creativity. I see a guy who's never actually learned ACM, and doesn't know the astounding breadth of virtuosity available when maneuvering in a fluid with energy and angle-of-attack constraints. Truly, my friend, I feel you're the one who's been held back.

Meh, you can take your pretension back to Il2.

"breadth of virtuosity?" seriously?

[maradine]

Quite serious. More notes, better composers. But not everyone likes classical, so whatever.

And I'll take my pretension back to WT, thank you very much. IL-2 was too early to capture a ton of MP share, sadly.

[snafus]

Originally Posted by maradine

You see interaction with a real physics model as limiting and stifling to creativity. I see a guy who's never actually learned ACM, and doesn't know the astounding breadth of virtuosity available when maneuvering in a fluid with energy and angle-of-attack constraints. Truly, my friend, I feel you're the one who's been held back.

PS2 flight is fun. But don't hate on those asking for a bit more. They know something you haven't had the opportunity to pick up yet.

Hah the limitation that mimicking real flight physics makes for another cookie cutter and boring flight sim. By simply ignoring the restraints that are usually bound on players you give more freedom to the player base. So instead of copying 60 year old dog fighting tactics we can actually come up with some new fresh and in my opinion much better experience. So adapt to the freedom that PS2 gives you and enjoy it or go back to the Flight manual sims you all seem to adore.

[maradine]

I enjoy it a great deal. I just wouldn't call it "freedom". "AB reverse, pivot, shoot" is the black and white television of dogfighting. Maybe that's more interesting for people who grew up in the age of WASD. Maybe change is frightful. Who knows?

The point is, there are things that can be done to bring both sides of aerial combat to the table without diminishing either. I'm having difficulty understanding how someone could be against that - especially in a forum culture where "Easy Mode" is used as a pejorative.

[CrankyTRex]

Originally Posted by maradine

I enjoy it a great deal. I just wouldn't call it "freedom". "AB reverse, pivot, shoot" is the black and white television of dogfighting. Maybe that's more interesting for people who grew up in the age of WASD. Maybe change is frightful. Who knows?

The point is, there are things that can be done to bring both sides of aerial combat to the table without diminishing either. I'm having difficulty understanding how someone could be against that - especially in a forum culture where "Easy Mode" is used as a pejorative.

I'd agree. I find the dogfighting extremely restrictive because stopping to hover really eliminates the effectiveness of a lot of evasive maneuvers. It's just so much easier for a pursuer to simply come to a hover and blast the crap out of the poor shmuck that is doing all manner of aerial acrobatics thinking he's actually being followed.