News: ProSieben Responds to Community Concerns - Page 5

cellinaire · 2012-02-25, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by Hydra

Talk to me when something is actually done, The fact that this even happened and went this far is still moronic.

You nailed it

Trolltaxi · 2012-02-25, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by arclegger

Everybody's Fine

Well, I'd be fine with Kate or Drew too, but what about communities (PS, EQ, DCUO)?

What about "won't sell power" in case of pro7 who already showed they can roadkill f2p games whenever they want?

tkoreaper · 2012-02-25, 04:34 AM

Of course it's going to be the community that is going to demand all the credit for this even though SOE said they we still discussing how things would work. People need to realize that due to the nature of the partnership, it wasn't very logical to keep everyone together. I say that because while it is a partnership, they each have full control only of their own region... To still keep them connected kinda removes the point of even having a partnership.

Kran De Loy · 2012-02-25, 04:53 AM

As long as SOE and PSS1 remove all region locking than I full believe that the game will last long enough to at least return their investments as well as each company's minimum expectations of profit from the game. With region locking that becomes much more questionable.

The entire point of MMO is a critical mass of players playing together simultaneously. With an F2P game, the more players = more competition = more revenue generated. More players also = more revenue generated just by themselves without the added factor of players competing against each other. There have got to be plenty of research papers that prove that.

Kran De Loy · 2012-02-25, 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by tkoreaper

Of course it's going to be the community that is going to demand all the credit for this even though SOE said they we still discussing how things would work. People need to realize that due to the nature of the partnership, it wasn't very logical to keep everyone together. I say that because while it is a partnership, they each have full control only of their own region... To still keep them connected kinda removes the point of even having a partnership.

Er.. this made me look up the term partnership in a business sense, of the three sites I looked at from google this one seemed the most composed or best explained. All of them supported each other. Also this is of course from a US standpoint.
http://www.investorwords.com/3609/partnership.html

partnership
Definitions (2)
1. A type of unincorporated business organization in which multiple individuals, called general partners, manage the business and are equally liable for its debts; other individuals called limited partners may invest but not be directly involved in management and are liable only to the extent of their investments. Unlike a Limited Liability Company or a corporation, in a partnership each partner shares equal responsibility for the company's profits and losses, and its debts and liabilities. The partnership itself does not pay income taxes, but each partner has to report their share of business profits or losses on their individual tax return. Estimated tax payments are also necessary for each of the partners for the year in progress. Partnerships must file a return on Form 1065 showing income and deductions. Estimated tax payments are also required if they expect their income to be greater than $1,000.
2. More generally, a relationship of two or more entities conducting business for mutual benefit.

The other two links:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...ss+partnership
http://www.entrepreneur.com/encyclop...erm/82334.html

What I'm trying to say is that the nature of the partnership as you put it, it up to the partners in the contract.

Mechzz · 2012-02-25, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by Kran De Loy

As long as SOE and PSS1 remove all region locking than I full believe that the game will last long enough to at least return their investments as well as each company's minimum expectations of profit from the game. With region locking that becomes much more questionable.

This.

Vancha · 2012-02-25, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by tkoreaper

Of course it's going to be the community that is going to demand all the credit for this even though SOE said they we still discussing how things would work.

http://forums.station.sony.com/ps/po...58#88000471766

You were saying?

DaddyTickles · 2012-02-25, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by Vancha

http://forums.station.sony.com/ps/po...58#88000471766

You were saying?

I wish my wife was as equally responsive to my perfectly reasonable user requests

Vancha · 2012-02-25, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by DaddyTickles

I wish my wife was as equally responsive to my perfectly reasonable user requests

Just do what the EQII guys did to make SOE listen...

Unsubscribe.

From your wife.

Mechzz · 2012-02-25, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Vancha

Unsubscribe.
From your wife.

This.

Is what I did after 6 months of playing PS1 in 2004. With hindsight it would have been cheaper to unsubscribe from PS

**RadarX** · 2012-02-25, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Vancha

http://forums.station.sony.com/ps/po...58#88000471766

You were saying?

This issue was anticipated to a point but player feedback provides something tangible to show exactly how everyone feels.

Vancha · 2012-02-25, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by RadarX

This issue was anticipated to a point but player feedback provides something tangible to show exactly how everyone feels.

The sheer ignorance of the people who made this decision is the only defence they've got so far. Surely you shouldn't be telling us things that'll make us even angrier with them?

Goku · 2012-02-25, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by RadarX

This issue was anticipated to a point but player feedback provides something tangible to show exactly how everyone feels.

I think its rather obvious to even people not within those positions figuring out possible back lashes against such a huge policy shift would know this whole firestorm would be created. Splitting up whole communities that have been together since EQ, isn't something you can sweep under the rug.

Nephilimuk · 2012-02-25, 11:34 AM

This issue was anticipated to a point but player feedback provides something tangible to show exactly how everyone feels.

Radar I really like what your doing but that statement is very interesting

I have to ask wouldn't customer consultation worked a little better than what has just happened?

If and that’s a big one that this was all planned then someone must have really needed to make a point and this has the opportunity to back fire spectacularly. I wonder how you classify self mutilation in a risk register.

Shogun · 2012-02-25, 12:34 PM

this news should be updated... since we got some new answers now that really count!

as in this thread: http://forums.station.sony.com/ps/po...58#88000471766

quote virrago (soe CRM): Far as I know, there are no discussions to limit access to beta based on region at this time.

that´s another issue hopefully solved.

and radarx told us this:

Originally Posted by RadarX

To make this 100% clear, Prosieben is a partner in distributing our games in the EU. SOE remains the sole developer of game content for PlanetSide 2 and any of our other games. If something goes in the game, it will be because we created it.

so for me the major issues seem to be fixed.
i just need another clarification from radarx! so, all content of the game and the shop will come from soe, that´s great. but will pro7 be able to mess with the shop, or does this count as content that only soe has control over?
i fear that pro7 puts things in the shop that are free on u.s. servers, or that they mess with the stats to encourage people to buy weapons (pay 2 win).
just tell us, that all stats, balancing and shop-placements will still be soe´s concern!