Free to download? - Page 5

Rumblepit · 2011-12-24, 02:23 PM

well its all speculation until we hear otherwise i guess.all i know is with f2d your gonna get allot more hackers then you would if it were p2d.

Hobitt · 2011-12-24, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Coreldan

Average cheater won't bother yes, unless the cheat devs actually write up a piece of code that does it for you with just running one executable. Most commercial cheats require monthly subscription and this kinda stuff is quite basic for many of the cheats. Some even go as far to provide another copy/serial for the game if you get detected using their cheats in a pay2play game.

Actually it kind of scares me there is a game red ochestra 2 when it entered beta stage you needed to buy a deluxe edition of the game and the beta servers were full of cheaters later we found a website that makes cheats for games and they cost a lot of money and people actually buy them so some cheaters can go very far but because we had active admins and a commuity cheaters dissapeared its not really that hard to spot a cheater in a fps game so i think planetside 2 will do well
I cant understand why game companies cant sue websites that sell hacks

Coreldan · 2011-12-24, 02:37 PM

You are missing the key point here.

RO2 has servers run by individuals. That means that the server owners can kick and ban blatant cheaters out. Blatant cheaters dont usually remain on servers for long exactly for that reason, cos you have several admins ensuring the experience for like 64 players.

PS2 will have its servers ran entirely by SoE. This means only SoE staff will be able to do squat about cheaters. While in RO2 we had 1-2 admins per 64 players, we will now have 1-2 admins per perhaps a few hundred or even a few thousand players. Community can't really do anything but report and hope for SoE to act, while in RO2 kinda games the server admins could just remove these people fairly fast from their servers.

BTW, I'm also an avid fan of the RO sequel. Easily one of the best FPS games out there IMO.

Pretty much the closest equivalent I can think of to PS2s situation is APB. The game is divided to districts that can hold 100 players each. While the games current owner isnt really well known for cheater handling, they do have several GMs patrolling, but its nowhere near enough to guarantee the same experience individually owned servers can have in other games.

And perhaps the biggest problem of all, these GMs that will have to be hired by SoE cost money, quite a bit of it. In addition to that, they can only really catch the blatant cases. Anyone who has the brains to tweak down their aimbot so that it wont snap around like a madman can't really be proven to be cheating just from watching them play.

Hobitt · 2011-12-24, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Coreldan

You are missing the key point here.

RO2 has servers run by individuals. That means that the server owners can kick and ban blatant cheaters out. Blatant cheaters dont usually remain on servers for long exactly for that reason, cos you have several admins ensuring the experience for like 64 players.

PS2 will have its servers ran entirely by SoE. This means only SoE staff will be able to do squat about cheaters. While in RO2 we had 1-2 admins per 64 players, we will now have 1-2 admins per perhaps a few hundred or even a few thousand players. Community can't really do anything but report and hope for SoE to act, while in RO2 kinda games the server admins could just remove these people fairly fast from their servers.

BTW, I'm also an avid fan of the RO sequel. Easily one of the best FPS games out there IMO.

Pretty much the closest equivalent I can think of to PS2s situation is APB. The game is divided to districts that can hold 100 players each. While the games current owner isnt really well known for cheater handling, they do have several GMs patrolling, but its nowhere near enough to guarantee the same experience individually owned servers can have in other games.

And perhaps the biggest problem of all, these GMs that will have to be hired by SoE cost money, quite a bit of it. In addition to that, they can only really catch the blatant cases. Anyone who has the brains to tweak down their aimbot so that it wont snap around like a madman can't really be proven to be cheating just from watching them play.

Maybe there should be more moderators who work for free i mean voulanteers who can ban
P.s Ro2 for now is not realistic enough for me good to see someone from the same community

Coreldan · 2011-12-24, 02:47 PM

Sadly, majority of the community will be against giving any kick/ban powers to non-hired people.

Probably for a really good reason too, theres often a conflict of interest and corruption. Even if there would be a few who could use those powers with abuse, but it's something that will most likely never happen.

Bittermen · 2011-12-24, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Rumblepit

my name was rumblepit on global agenda, i played with vanquish for a long time. there were hackers in global agenda, but the game had such a low pop and such a tight community that they never became a problem.league of legends ,,, lol what kind of hacks could you use in that game anyway???????????

f2p is awesome and the future of gaming??????????

hers some info for your" f2p is awesome". swtor had 750,000 players in beta on stress test weekend. 1.5 million sub in the first 2 weeks of release. next month they should be close to 2 million, and it will continue to grow.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
this is what soe wants .... but they dont think they can pull it off so they are
going to play it safe with the f2p model.

they can have the best anti hack in the world. but will will stop the script kiddies from making new accounts.

MARK MY WORDS..... THIS WILL MAKE OR BREAK THIS GAME.

Comparing Planetside to Star Wars?

Its got like 30 years on Planetside.

Rumblepit · 2011-12-24, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Bittermen

Comparing Planetside to Star Wars?

Its got like 30 years on Planetside.

not the name star wars, the game... the product they put out. it was polished,plenty of content, good graphics, good pvp/combat,more dialog then every episode of the Sopranos combined,and its gonna make them allot of money because its a good game. . so yes i compare it to swtor ....
they do this right, market it correctly, you will prob see 1million players at launch.

but if they want to go with the f2d option you will never ever see them break 300k players.

Rumblepit · 2011-12-24, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Coreldan

Sadly, majority of the community will be against giving any kick/ban powers to non-hired people.

Probably for a really good reason too, theres often a conflict of interest and corruption. Even if there would be a few who could use those powers with abuse, but it's something that will most likely never happen.

this is true, they will not release any admin tools to the public..... admin tools are hacks in a since . the worst kinds. and they dont want them getting out there.

Hobitt · 2011-12-24, 05:25 PM

Maybe a very easy to use report function that would instantly notify admins but it must be easy to use!

Crator · 2011-12-24, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Rumblepit

but if they want to go with the f2d option you will never ever see them break 300k players.

Yes, you are probably correct in saying that... Wait, I think I read that wrong, if they allow free-to-download they won't get over 300K subs? That's not right... Look at the stats they got for DCUO when it went F2P.

Reports of SOE gaining 1000 million subscribers after going F2P.

DC Universe Online Attracts 1 Million New Players Following Free-to-Play Transition

John Smedley gives interesting tweets on DC Universe Online

While I was searching about F2P or Freemium business models I found this nice article: The Freemium Business Model and Viral Product Management

Reports of Star Wars: The Old Republic being the last of it's kind, because it isn't F2P: Star Wars: The Old Republic - The End of an Era?

Rumblepit · 2011-12-25, 12:39 AM

lol i read that one, and another that said the sub based games are not a thing of the past lol and swtor will prove it.

i did a bit of research tonight and read over what smedly hinted at with this f2p model http://news.17173.com/content/2011-0...808374,1.shtml. i researched eq2's f2p model which was soe's first attempt at f2p. also looked into what league of legends uses as their f2p model, which he referred to when he talked about ps2.

there are many types and hybrids of the f2p model. not all f2p games are f2d.some you have to buy the game then its free to play, brink , global agenda,team fortress...... some are f2p and f2d, warrock , combat arms, crossfire. some are pay to compete, some are pay to win, some are pay for flair, and from what ive seen 90% never sell a box game, just digital downloads.

what dose this mean? this is just a theory from what i gather from his interview. but ps2 will be p2d and f2p, with a item shop that has flair and weapons, but nothing will be in the shop that you cant get in game.

Raymac · 2011-12-25, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by Rumblepit

what dose this mean? this is just a theory from what i gather from his interview. but ps2 will be p2d and f2p, with a item shop that has flair and weapons, but nothing will be in the shop that you cant get in game.

My guess is that PS2 will be extremely similar to DCUO which is free to download and different payment options. The good thing that PS2 has going for it is that it is being designed as f2p from the start instead of having it taked on after the fact.

If your goal is to try to get SOE to change their mind and make PS2 a subscription game...you seem intelligent enough to know how well that will work.

There are pros and cons to it, for sure. So lets hope SOE puts enough resources into policing the cheaters so the rest of us can enjoy this beautiful looking game that the devs are putting so much effort and passion into.

fuzzehthehydra · 2011-12-25, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by Rumblepit

farmville????? rofl ...... i just wont elaborate on this game at all.
team fortress was not f2p when it was released. they went that direction when numbers were low.

as for ip and hardware banns . well a ip ban will keep a hacker out for 5 mins.
hardware bans???? not sure if any hack prevention programs even use this tech. if they did i would no about it, heck we all would .

i gather from your post that you have never played a f2p game.

Regardless of your opinions of how good a game Farmville and it's kin is, my point was that it has generated a large amount of money in a relatively short period of time. Companies, if offered a choice between a great gaming experience or one that will make a lot of money, will always go for the cash.

You're right about TF2 in the sense that it was not originally a F2P game, but after it went in that direction player numbers picked up considerably, which shows that it can generate plenty of interest.

As a couple of posters confirmed earlier, hardware bans do indeed exist, even if they aren't particularly widespread for whatever reason. So yeah, obviously you don't know quite as much as you thought you did.

And, uh, no, I have played several F2P games in my time, though I really don't understand what that has to do with the debate.

Coreldan · 2011-12-25, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by Hobitt

Maybe a very easy to use report function that would instantly notify admins but it must be easy to use!

They had this in original PS but it was taken out cos they couldn't handle the amount of reports.

Same goes for many other games. To once again pull APB into this, they opened this "Police Blotter" thread on their forums, where people could report cheaters if they had video proof (normally you werent allowed to accuse people of cheating on the forums). The thread was so "popular" that they even had to close that down, cos they didnt have the manpower to investigate all the reports. Much less if it was easy to just press "Report" and write "Player X is cheating".

SKYeXile · 2011-12-25, 07:14 AM

PS2 cant compete as a B2P game, it needs ongoing income to support its servers. it however cant operate successfully as a P2P game, people(FPS players), soes target audience for PS2) dont get that that it costs money to run servers. F2P is really the only option for PS2...dont even get started on B2P with a cash shop...SOE and everybody else have proved that its more profitable to just go completely F2P.

You can bet SOE are going to be allover hacking and it effecting planetside, its been a thorn in their side for like 6 months or something now.

Originally Posted by Rumblepit

not the name star wars, the game... the product they put out. it was polished,plenty of content, good graphics, good pvp/combat,more dialog then every episode of the Sopranos combined,and its gonna make them allot of money because its a good game. . so yes i compare it to swtor ....
they do this right, market it correctly, you will prob see 1million players at launch.

but if they want to go with the f2d option you will never ever see them break 300k players.

You cant compare star wars and PS2, they're 2 totally different games with 2 different target audiences, P2P has been tried with planetside, it does not work, people want something more for their $15 a month then fighting the same people over the same 5 base designs than planetside offers.

as for the bold...??? are you high, every time a game goes f2p its population explodes, SOE had to open up heaps more servers for DCUO online when it went F2P, as did every other game that wasnt run by asswipes. Free realms had over 1m players at its release, its budget is a a mear drop in the sea to the amount of money EA has thrown at SWTOR. but let me get this right...what you're saying is basicly people would rather pay to have biowares cock jammed down their throat all while EA complete the Eiffel tower with a rear entrance? you gotta be high son...i would give that shit a taste if it was free, but im seriously not paying to be double teamed by those poo pushers.

also if it was free to play....everybody in australia would be playing it...that would make-up your 300k...cant play it with no download link and no official release bro.

can we seriously start screening these people before they signup...really?

and wtf are you people going on about? free to download games?

its either buy to play (B2P) or its free to play(F2P) f2p = you download and play it for free...there is no fucking fee to download it...or it would not be free to play. WTF, retards.

SGTMad...if you're reading this, please hit me for wasting my time arguing with the mouth breathers.